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>These people have already shown that they don't care about the law - that's why they're in jail While I agree banning small cellphones is useless, I don't car

by smtddr 13y ago

>These people have already shown that they don't care about the law - that's why they're in jail While I agree banning small cellphones is useless, I don't care for this generalization. Not everyone in jail has a blatant disregard for law. For some it was just a moment of desperation, for some it was for some silly reason like weed, some may just be young people making mistakes and had the misfortune of being one of the few actually caught, some may not have even known they were breaking a law and some don't deserve to be there at all.

zxcdw 13y ago
But still a good proportition of them ends up spending their lives in there by returning again and again if not being sentenced for life straight away. It's as if being a criminal was a lifestyle some people choose to adopt from the beginning. They don't even want out of it, and some want back "in" because that's where the culture strives.
- smtddr 13y ago
  Sure, some... but the system is also set up in such a way that once you're in, it's pretty hard to get out. For one, depending on the crime your background-check is all screwed up now, making it pretty hard to make an honest living. I recently found out some companies don't hire anyone with a felony on record. It's a horrible cycle and I think it's because a lot of people make money with prisons & correction-facilities, so actually making a path to escape the criminal-system is not in their interest. I actually don't think that even half of them actually want to be in jail. I think they've been made to believe there's no way out.
- mhd 13y ago
  Any numbers on how large that "good proportion" is in the UK? This sounds a bit too Guy Ritchie to me.
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- king_jester 13y ago
  It's really obvious you don't know much about prison and recidivism. Being convicted and spending time in prison has long reaching affects on your life. Your employment options become more limited, you may lose voting rights, your existing social networks are disconnected, you may be forced into low wage labor while imprisoned, you may be denied access to educational resources that would help you be employed after release, among other things. > It's as if being a criminal was a lifestyle some people choose to adopt from the beginning. They don't even want out of it, and some want back "in" because that's where the culture strives. You think people choose on purpose to be imprisoned rather than be free? This is a rationalization that prisoners deserve to be in prison because they are fundamentally flawed.
DanBC 13y ago
You make a very good point, and I apologise for my over-generalisation. I should have been more careful.

by smtddr 13y ago

zxcdw 13y ago

But still a good proportition of them ends up spending their lives in there by returning again and again if not being sentenced for life straight away. It's as if being a criminal was a lifestyle some people choose to adopt from the beginning. They don't even want out of it, and some want back "in" because that's where the culture strives.

smtddr 13y ago
Sure, some... but the system is also set up in such a way that once you're in, it's pretty hard to get out. For one, depending on the crime your background-check is all screwed up now, making it pretty hard to make an honest living. I recently found out some companies don't hire anyone with a felony on record. It's a horrible cycle and I think it's because a lot of people make money with prisons & correction-facilities, so actually making a path to escape the criminal-system is not in their interest. I actually don't think that even half of them actually want to be in jail. I think they've been made to believe there's no way out.
mhd 13y ago
Any numbers on how large that "good proportion" is in the UK? This sounds a bit too Guy Ritchie to me.
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king_jester 13y ago
It's really obvious you don't know much about prison and recidivism. Being convicted and spending time in prison has long reaching affects on your life. Your employment options become more limited, you may lose voting rights, your existing social networks are disconnected, you may be forced into low wage labor while imprisoned, you may be denied access to educational resources that would help you be employed after release, among other things. > It's as if being a criminal was a lifestyle some people choose to adopt from the beginning. They don't even want out of it, and some want back "in" because that's where the culture strives. You think people choose on purpose to be imprisoned rather than be free? This is a rationalization that prisoners deserve to be in prison because they are fundamentally flawed.

DanBC 13y ago

You make a very good point, and I apologise for my over-generalisation. I should have been more careful.