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I recognize that this could well be a a true and legitimate coming out, but I can't help but wonder if it's government spin or effects from the abuses he's suff

by etiam 13y ago

I recognize that this could well be a a true and legitimate coming out, but I can't help but wonder if it's government spin or effects from the abuses he's suffered for the last three years.

ewoodrich 13y ago
I have no idea, but it that case, are you suggesting that her lawyer was somehow coerced into reading her statement? Especially considering the trial just ended (ruling on the side of the "government") I would consider that sort of direct influence highly improbable, and that authenticity is more likely. (edit: gender pronouns, thank you nemof)
- etiam 13y ago
  What I suggest is rather the possibility that Manning him-/herself may have been unduly influenced about it during captivity. But even if the decision is completely uncorrupted I find it it is of some interest to consider how it could be used. Manning personally is arguably of little consequence to the power game now, but Manning's reputation and story is highly interesting to both those who would have transparency and those who would have utter secrecy. That game is still very much open.
serf 13y ago
Yeah, I agree. Coming out is important on a personal basis, but the events overshadowing that were important on a global basis. It's hard to weigh the two.
nemof 13y ago
A quick reminder to everyone, it's her/she/Chelsea now.
mehwoot 13y ago
I highly doubt it is. In the wikileaks movie ("We steal secrets") they publish a few excepts from the conversations that Manning had with Adrian Cuomo and s/he mentions it a lot. It hasn't really been a secret, but Manning has apparently decided to formally state it now.
- etiam 13y ago
  I'm not aware of that conversation, but can I take it that it occured before Manning's incarceration then? If so that seems like convincing evidence about Mannings decision as such being free from undue influence.

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I recognize that this could well be a a true and legitimate coming out, but I can't help but wonder if it's government spin or effects from the abuses he's suff

by etiam 13y ago

I recognize that this could well be a a true and legitimate coming out, but I can't help but wonder if it's government spin or effects from the abuses he's suffered for the last three years.

ewoodrich 13y ago
I have no idea, but it that case, are you suggesting that her lawyer was somehow coerced into reading her statement? Especially considering the trial just ended (ruling on the side of the "government") I would consider that sort of direct influence highly improbable, and that authenticity is more likely. (edit: gender pronouns, thank you nemof)
- etiam 13y ago
  What I suggest is rather the possibility that Manning him-/herself may have been unduly influenced about it during captivity. But even if the decision is completely uncorrupted I find it it is of some interest to consider how it could be used. Manning personally is arguably of little consequence to the power game now, but Manning's reputation and story is highly interesting to both those who would have transparency and those who would have utter secrecy. That game is still very much open.
serf 13y ago
Yeah, I agree. Coming out is important on a personal basis, but the events overshadowing that were important on a global basis. It's hard to weigh the two.
nemof 13y ago
A quick reminder to everyone, it's her/she/Chelsea now.
mehwoot 13y ago
I highly doubt it is. In the wikileaks movie ("We steal secrets") they publish a few excepts from the conversations that Manning had with Adrian Cuomo and s/he mentions it a lot. It hasn't really been a secret, but Manning has apparently decided to formally state it now.
- etiam 13y ago
  I'm not aware of that conversation, but can I take it that it occured before Manning's incarceration then? If so that seems like convincing evidence about Mannings decision as such being free from undue influence.