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I have come to conclusion that more radical thinking is needed. American constitution (or other derived documents, such as EU Charter on Human Rights, I am EU c
by asgard1024 13y ago
I have come to conclusion that more radical thinking is needed. American constitution (or other derived documents, such as EU Charter on Human Rights, I am EU citizen), as it stands, is not going to cut it.
The thing is, the extremes of keeping things hidden we see in the government are just a tip of a long tail of many, many people trying to keep things hidden in other, more mundane, institutions. For existential fears, people who could point out these problems stay silent. We accept this as a necessary acts, because of "competition". But aren't wars and such just another result of this thinking, really? (For an interesting take on morality of speaking truth, see also Sam Harris' book Lying.)
Here's a couple of ideas:
1. Can democratic state do without any secret service at all? I don't mean not to have "operational" security. You need to keep secret where you have troops, keys etc. But; maybe it should just release all the secrets after 5 years, about operations they did. Likewise, their operations should be made public, just like courts are. In other words, the default position should be to release, not keep secret. I am on a fence regarding technology plans - would really world be a better place if Russians couldn't make the bomb? The point is, we take position "secret service is needed" for granted; I don't think it is.
2. There should be no blank exceptions to free speech, just like in the above case. It should be right applied to everybody, not just US (or other state) citizens. Private sector shouldn't be an exception - you should have right to publicly criticize your employer. There should be no contracts preventing you from disclosing information about what you don't like, or about what happened to you.
3. I envision a platform that would allow anonymous publishing of unreliable information, which then could be collectively analyzed and the reliability of sources assessed, without revealing them. Kind of inversion of classical journalism, where you have a limited number of people (editors) accessing unreliable information and only publishing if you can reasonably prove it to be true; here you would publish indiscriminately things, that are not true, and only later, via some algorithm that would connect the sources somehow yet retain their anonymity, the correctness of the information would be proved. It should allow to connect very small leaks from many people. This would require a cultural change in how we understand media, but it could be done in incremental way.
I am not completely advocating all of what I just mentioned; I would just like to see some discussion about that. Maybe everything about institutional behavior in the past, older than 5 years, let's say, should just be fair game to publish. This rule would nicely exclude all the technical and operational plans.
- raverbashing 13y ago"Can democratic state do without any secret service at all?" Maybe. But probably they won't stay democratic for long. Some people are only there to make a mess. "There should be no blank exceptions to free speech" Remember that this works for the WBC. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's a consequence. "you should have right to publicly criticize your employer" But this is like it is. Free speech does not mean speech without consequences, but it means you have the right to speak your mind (as opposed to a "preventive silence")
- asgard1024 13y ago"But probably they won't stay democratic for long." The word "probably" is precisely my point. To my knowledge, nobody ever tested this. We have police to deal with mess, which is under public scrutiny. Why SS should be exempt is not clear at all. "Remember that this works for the WBC." Not being American, I don't know what you refer to, sorry. "Free speech does not mean speech without consequences" I don't follow. I don't understand why speaking about what happened to you in the past should have any consequence to you. It may have consequence for the other people involved, that some may learn they are not so squeaky clean, and they will lose their authority, but that's precisely what the article was about.
- raverbashing 13y ago"To my knowledge, nobody ever tested this." I'm not talking about only internal threats, but external threats as well. I'm not sure that "nobody has tested this" but history has lots of cases of coups, invasions, etc (and probably other cases where things went differently) The WBC is the Westboro Baptist Church, read about them and how they use freedom of speech laws. "I don't understand why speaking about what happened to you in the past should have any consequence to you." Because of something called Defamation. There's also the possibility of having admitted to a crime. But yes, in the US freedom of speech is very strong, even there, it's not 100% free of consequences (which may be a good thing). In some other countries defamation laws stifle free speech.
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