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Absolutely the same logic could be used to explain the actions he revealed, that is exactly the problem. We are being forced to choose between realities. Eit

Absolutely the same logic could be used to explain the actions he revealed, that is exactly the problem. We are being forced to choose between realities. Either his action is a noble one born of patriotism, or those that he revealed are. Both sides are claiming to be right, noble and patriotic, and both sides see themselves as acting appropriately. The question is which reality do we want to be true? which side do we want to be associated with and to support? Pick your side, and see where that decision takes you. There are no objective realities here. Just a personal decision regarding the reality we wish to support, encourage and stand with.

pigscantfly 13y ago
Well, I'm not going to side with the people who gunned down a Reuters journalist from their Apache and the military who tried to cover for them over the person who outed their conduct. I guess you can choose which way your patriotism swings, but it seems like a fairly obvious conclusion to me.
- slg 13y ago
  To be fair you are taking the worst action of one entity and comparing it with the best action of the other. I don't think many people here would say what happened in the Collateral Murder video was justifiable or disagree with the motive Manning had in leaking it. The problem is that is just a piece of the picture. Manning released a lot more information and some of it endangered innocent people. He basically put innocent people in life threatening situations to expose that innocent people had previously been killed.
secstate 13y ago
The same problem arose during the Crusades when the Christians and Muslims both fought with God on their side. Of course, in this case you have patriotism used as a prop for furthering secret government and corporate objectives, or patriotism as a means to expose corruption and the authorized murder of civilians in a post-WWII world replete with the United Nations. You be the judge.

pigscantfly 13y ago

Well, I'm not going to side with the people who gunned down a Reuters journalist from their Apache and the military who tried to cover for them over the person who outed their conduct. I guess you can choose which way your patriotism swings, but it seems like a fairly obvious conclusion to me.

slg 13y ago
To be fair you are taking the worst action of one entity and comparing it with the best action of the other. I don't think many people here would say what happened in the Collateral Murder video was justifiable or disagree with the motive Manning had in leaking it. The problem is that is just a piece of the picture. Manning released a lot more information and some of it endangered innocent people. He basically put innocent people in life threatening situations to expose that innocent people had previously been killed.

secstate 13y ago

The same problem arose during the Crusades when the Christians and Muslims both fought with God on their side. Of course, in this case you have patriotism used as a prop for furthering secret government and corporate objectives, or patriotism as a means to expose corruption and the authorized murder of civilians in a post-WWII world replete with the United Nations. You be the judge.