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Basically this is the only answer. I think of this (but rarely say it) when I hear people talk about supporting our troops and honoring their service. I don't

Basically this is the only answer. I think of this (but rarely say it) when I hear people talk about supporting our troops and honoring their service. I don't honor people who willingly decide to be put in situations that almost certainly will be immoral. The immoral act starts when you volunteer to join the gang that commits it.

Nrsolis 13y ago
LOL. SERIOUSLY? I just met a guy who lost his legs to an IED that he KNEW was on the route he was ordered to take because they needed to get from A to B in the quickest possible time. He volunteered to go himself (he was the Captain of the platoon) but his team refused to let him make the run himself. That was the THIRD IED he was hit by. I'm glad we have people who are willing to risk their lives for us, no questions asked. They willingly go into hellish situations where they could lose life and limb and with little expectation of reward. Frequently the opposite. You benefit from this sacrifice. You PROFIT from it. Don't pretend you're morally superior. Police go out and beat up bad guys so you can be safe. If you were more of a man, you'd admit your cowardice and stay quiet otherwise.
- vectorjohn 13y ago
  This is precisely my point. People like you are wrong. Sure, your friend may have done something brave, but he still put himself in a situation where he would likely be asked to do wrong. He supported a government that uses force to try to get its way. We don't need that. I don't need that. Even if I profit from it, I didn't ask for it, and I really do have the moral high ground here. Don't act like the people joining the military do it for some high flying idea of honor and defense of the country. They join in droves because they get to have an adventure with the feeling of danger but extremely low chance of injury. If we were actually fighting a real enemy that really could do us harm, I /might/ call that bravery. You have an antiquated view of what it is to be "more of a man". You seem to be stuck in the past where blindly killing the others is somehow a good thing without stopping to think about the reasons. How about, why was your friend walking around in a foreign country in the first place? I like how you couldn't try making your point with a reasoned argument, you had to use ad hominem. Classy.

Nrsolis 13y ago

LOL. SERIOUSLY? I just met a guy who lost his legs to an IED that he KNEW was on the route he was ordered to take because they needed to get from A to B in the quickest possible time. He volunteered to go himself (he was the Captain of the platoon) but his team refused to let him make the run himself. That was the THIRD IED he was hit by. I'm glad we have people who are willing to risk their lives for us, no questions asked. They willingly go into hellish situations where they could lose life and limb and with little expectation of reward. Frequently the opposite. You benefit from this sacrifice. You PROFIT from it. Don't pretend you're morally superior. Police go out and beat up bad guys so you can be safe. If you were more of a man, you'd admit your cowardice and stay quiet otherwise.

vectorjohn 13y ago
This is precisely my point. People like you are wrong. Sure, your friend may have done something brave, but he still put himself in a situation where he would likely be asked to do wrong. He supported a government that uses force to try to get its way. We don't need that. I don't need that. Even if I profit from it, I didn't ask for it, and I really do have the moral high ground here. Don't act like the people joining the military do it for some high flying idea of honor and defense of the country. They join in droves because they get to have an adventure with the feeling of danger but extremely low chance of injury. If we were actually fighting a real enemy that really could do us harm, I /might/ call that bravery. You have an antiquated view of what it is to be "more of a man". You seem to be stuck in the past where blindly killing the others is somehow a good thing without stopping to think about the reasons. How about, why was your friend walking around in a foreign country in the first place? I like how you couldn't try making your point with a reasoned argument, you had to use ad hominem. Classy.