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The funny thing is that all those features work right now, without unifying your Google accounts.

by v13inc 13y ago

VikingCoder 13y ago
I trust Google to come up with clever integrations in the future. The OP does not. I think it's his loss.
- v13inc 13y ago
  Even if different properties have different profiles, Google will still have access to each more then enough data to create these clever integrations in the future. I don't even mind if they have a hidden 'aggregate' profile they use for those features. The frustration comes from removing the option of customizing my profile for each service.
  - VikingCoder 13y ago
    Banana72 shared a YouTube video with you...? What the hell? Banana72...? Oh, right, on YouTube VikingCoder is called Banana72. I think you're asking for a feature which would confuse the hell out of most users.
    - v13inc 13y ago
      Unfortunately, that's hard to say without doing proper usability testing. I managed to find a decent looking study that somewhat supports my position [1]. Here's an interesting quote from the abstract: "many (40%) were hesitant to consent to the release of their personal profile information; and (6) many (36%) ex- pressed concern with the use of SSO on websites that contain valuable personal information or, conversely, are not trust- worthy. We also found that with an improved affordance and privacy control, more than 60% of study participants would use Web SSO solutions on the websites they trust." [1] https://cups.cs.cmu.edu/soups/2011/proceedings/a4_Sun.pdf https://cups.cs.cmu.edu/soups/2011/proceedings/a4_Sun.pdf This is a very important discussion -- I'd love to see some papers that study the benefits of a single login / profile, rather then the negatives.
      - VikingCoder 13y ago
        Many (40%) were hesitant to use Facebook, when it was described to them, citing privacy concerns. And then 98% of them did. How people say they will act, and how they act, are completely different animals.
        v13inc 13y ago
        Hence the need for studies ;)
        makomk 13y ago
        That probably has a lot to do with network effects - even if a lot of people would be hesitant to use Facebook, all their friends are on there rather than a more privacy-preserving alternative. Same reason everyone keeps using eBay even though they continue to get shitter and shitter.
    - periferral 13y ago
      I don't disagree with your sentiment so I had to go back and re-read the OPs thoughts. I think he had a Group Youtube channel. He logged in using his individual account onto his Group Youtube channel and it linked his individual G+ to the group Youtube. When he unlinked this, it disable his Group Youtube. I think this is pretty serious stuff. If youtube allows you to group individual accounts, then you dont want to link a group channel to an individual account. I think thats the concerns being raised here.
      - VikingCoder 13y ago
        It's a transition time. They're making the right choices. It's unfortunate that the transition from the current state to the new state is painful. Ultimately, do you agree with the direction, and can you forgive them for the missteps? I mean, how many times was "re-install Microsoft Windows, and all of your applications" the only option? I get that it's painful for some people, and I don't mean to diminish that. But my God, this guy wasted an entire afternoon on configuring his free service.</sarcasm>
        exodust 13y ago
        It's not free if the content we upload becomes content Google offers to other users for entertainment, which advertisers pay Google to be a part of. It's not free if Google offers advertisers inroads into our "mandatory unified profiles and connected personal data streams". The OP is merely expressing what a lot of people are experiencing, and not just technical people. I know plenty of non-technical people who avoid mainstream Google because it's like "getting a passport" and "signing over your life" just to upload a video. The user experience of being part of YouTube is crap. The barrier to entry is too heavily weighted towards "registration" and "validation" rather than just having fun and joining something fun. Email is NOT related to Youtube, not by any stretch. So you get emamiled when someone posts a video? Wow, that really is lame. That notification could happen a million different ways, including an email to your Yahoo email address. Google forces completely different services to be connected. It's no longer possible to rate a video out of 5 unless you have a Google+ account. It's no longer possible to have a Google+ account unless you provide Google your mobile phone number and access to all your contacts, etc etc. Youtube was once a cool service for YOU, US. Now it's a service for "content partners" and YOU/WE are permitted to join in, provided that certain commercially motivated conditions are met. That's crap. It's like a movie cinema denying entry unless you wear a (free) t-shirt advertising their cinema. VikingCoder would say "hey, it's a free t-shirt, what are you complaining about". Well, I just want to watch a film, I do not want to be locked into the Cinema's desperate social media marketing eco-system.
    - sesqu 13y ago
      "Who the hell is VikingCoder? hmm... if I click here, and here... and cross-reference these histories... yeah, looks like that's the Nicaraquan guy I talked with last week in Counter-Strike after researching fruit flies. Banana something, I think he called himself."

The funny thing is that all those features work right now, without unifying your Google accounts.

by v13inc 13y ago

The funny thing is that all those features work right now, without unifying your Google accounts.

VikingCoder 13y ago

I trust Google to come up with clever integrations in the future. The OP does not. I think it's his loss.

v13inc 13y ago
Even if different properties have different profiles, Google will still have access to each more then enough data to create these clever integrations in the future. I don't even mind if they have a hidden 'aggregate' profile they use for those features. The frustration comes from removing the option of customizing my profile for each service.
- VikingCoder 13y ago
  Banana72 shared a YouTube video with you...? What the hell? Banana72...? Oh, right, on YouTube VikingCoder is called Banana72. I think you're asking for a feature which would confuse the hell out of most users.
  - v13inc 13y ago
    Unfortunately, that's hard to say without doing proper usability testing. I managed to find a decent looking study that somewhat supports my position [1]. Here's an interesting quote from the abstract: "many (40%) were hesitant to consent to the release of their personal profile information; and (6) many (36%) ex- pressed concern with the use of SSO on websites that contain valuable personal information or, conversely, are not trust- worthy. We also found that with an improved affordance and privacy control, more than 60% of study participants would use Web SSO solutions on the websites they trust." [1] https://cups.cs.cmu.edu/soups/2011/proceedings/a4_Sun.pdf https://cups.cs.cmu.edu/soups/2011/proceedings/a4_Sun.pdf This is a very important discussion -- I'd love to see some papers that study the benefits of a single login / profile, rather then the negatives.
    - VikingCoder 13y ago
      Many (40%) were hesitant to use Facebook, when it was described to them, citing privacy concerns. And then 98% of them did. How people say they will act, and how they act, are completely different animals.
      - v13inc 13y ago
        Hence the need for studies ;)
      - makomk 13y ago
        That probably has a lot to do with network effects - even if a lot of people would be hesitant to use Facebook, all their friends are on there rather than a more privacy-preserving alternative. Same reason everyone keeps using eBay even though they continue to get shitter and shitter.
  - periferral 13y ago
    I don't disagree with your sentiment so I had to go back and re-read the OPs thoughts. I think he had a Group Youtube channel. He logged in using his individual account onto his Group Youtube channel and it linked his individual G+ to the group Youtube. When he unlinked this, it disable his Group Youtube. I think this is pretty serious stuff. If youtube allows you to group individual accounts, then you dont want to link a group channel to an individual account. I think thats the concerns being raised here.
    - VikingCoder 13y ago
      It's a transition time. They're making the right choices. It's unfortunate that the transition from the current state to the new state is painful. Ultimately, do you agree with the direction, and can you forgive them for the missteps? I mean, how many times was "re-install Microsoft Windows, and all of your applications" the only option? I get that it's painful for some people, and I don't mean to diminish that. But my God, this guy wasted an entire afternoon on configuring his free service.</sarcasm>
      - exodust 13y ago
        It's not free if the content we upload becomes content Google offers to other users for entertainment, which advertisers pay Google to be a part of. It's not free if Google offers advertisers inroads into our "mandatory unified profiles and connected personal data streams". The OP is merely expressing what a lot of people are experiencing, and not just technical people. I know plenty of non-technical people who avoid mainstream Google because it's like "getting a passport" and "signing over your life" just to upload a video. The user experience of being part of YouTube is crap. The barrier to entry is too heavily weighted towards "registration" and "validation" rather than just having fun and joining something fun. Email is NOT related to Youtube, not by any stretch. So you get emamiled when someone posts a video? Wow, that really is lame. That notification could happen a million different ways, including an email to your Yahoo email address. Google forces completely different services to be connected. It's no longer possible to rate a video out of 5 unless you have a Google+ account. It's no longer possible to have a Google+ account unless you provide Google your mobile phone number and access to all your contacts, etc etc. Youtube was once a cool service for YOU, US. Now it's a service for "content partners" and YOU/WE are permitted to join in, provided that certain commercially motivated conditions are met. That's crap. It's like a movie cinema denying entry unless you wear a (free) t-shirt advertising their cinema. VikingCoder would say "hey, it's a free t-shirt, what are you complaining about". Well, I just want to watch a film, I do not want to be locked into the Cinema's desperate social media marketing eco-system.
  - sesqu 13y ago
    "Who the hell is VikingCoder? hmm... if I click here, and here... and cross-reference these histories... yeah, looks like that's the Nicaraquan guy I talked with last week in Counter-Strike after researching fruit flies. Banana something, I think he called himself."