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I would certainly pay either company to get Live streams of NFL games (with no blackouts, I hate those with a passion). I can't justify the cost of buying Cabl

by aroch 13y ago

I would certainly pay either company to get Live streams of NFL games (with no blackouts, I hate those with a passion). I can't justify the cost of buying Cable/DTV + the $30-50 a month for the sports package but would happily pay that ~30/month during the season. NFL doesn't offer live streaming inside of the US for some daft reasons (OK, its because they get a ton from cable/DTV regardless of whether someone actually watched or not...)

dragonwriter 13y ago
> I would certainly pay either company to get Live streams of NFL games (with no blackouts, I hate those with a passion). Blackouts exist to limit the extent that remote viewing substitutes for live attendance, as a means to support the live ticket prices. The alternative to blackouts is to accept that remote viewing is a substitute for live attendance, and to make the prices for remote viewing higher and those for live attendance lower.
- aroch 13y ago
  There's no pro team with several hundred miles of me. I know why blackouts exist, and they make sense to a degree in larger cities/areas near a team. However, if we're going to be honest, they have no problems selling tickets to games people actually want to go to. Assuming I had a more flexible work schedule, I would try to go to a few Steelers games (Which would, basically, force me to fly there...I wouldn't relish the drive). I don't even care about not getting all the games for every team, let me pick a set of teams (say 3-6) and get all their games live. Hell, I'll even take a pick of two teams for live streaming. I already subscribe to NFL network's streaming service for game replays, but there are some games -- like for the teams I support -- that I want live.
  - consultant23522 13y ago
    I've never understood this mentality. If a company (in this case the NFL) doesn't want me to be their customer then I simply won't be. For example, I like watching the Sabres (hockey for the uninitiated), but only a couple games a season are available to me. Therefore, I have stopped watching the games and they don't receive any of my money in the form of merchandising or ad revenue because one fewer set of eyes are watching their ads.
    - dragonwriter 13y ago
      The basic logic is simple: the league makes vastly more revenue per viewer from people in the stadium (ticket sales, concessions, etc.) then from people watching remotely (TV, streaming, etc.), so it can afford to lose lots of TV, streaming, etc. viewers if doing so avoids losing a small number (or a small share of the revenues from) in-stadium audience. > If a company (in this case the NFL) doesn't want me to be their customer then I simply won't be. Sacrificing low-revenue customers to preserve revenue from high-revenue customers isn't exactly a novel business model.
  - djjose 13y ago
    That's what NBA League Pass offered last year. You pick a couple of teams and you get their games. I happily paid for it and will do so again this season. The NFL has driven me crazy with not adopting a similar model. I can't get DTV at my home (condo), I don't care about the local teams, and paying for the whole league wasn't available on my local provider. They had a PS3 streaming option last season but I read it didn't work reliably so I didn't bother. Like you, I'd happily pay to follow a few teams teams + Red Zone. Luckily, as someone above posted, there's a great deal for $99 this season to purchase Madden and get Sunday Ticket included. I jumped all over that!
  - nmcveity 13y ago
    NFL offers a fantastic service, similar to the one you want, called gamepass. There is a catch (of course!), you just need to be in an international market. Its been a few years since I moved to the US so my memory is probably a little spotty but I seem to recall all games, live, HD with the ability to replay on demand (like gamerewind). You could also have the feed use the audio from teams radio network instead of the TV commentary. Man, I really miss that feature!
    - aroch 13y ago
      > NFL offers a fantastic service, similar to the one you want, called gamepass. There is a catch (of course!), you just need to be in an international market. I know, on top of that when I spent time in Switzerland I found out they get all the NFL games for free, live on TV. I've never understood why.
- kodablah 13y ago
  > Blackouts exist to limit the extent that remote viewing substitutes for live attendance Y'all are confusing your words. "Blackouts" you describe are local TV broadcast blackouts if they don't sell out the stadium. "Blackouts" the GP describes are the blackouts on Sunday ticket because you are supposed to watch them locally. Opinions: The former is good, it forces attendance. The latter is not, as it puts prevents regions that otherwise can't watch the games locally from being able to watch them at all (due to poor blackout zoning). MLB.TV is about to enter a lawsuit about this very thing, and though they'll likely win, it is a huge problem. Couple that with the ESPN's and others having a hatred for cord-cutters and you have an area ripe for disruption, even though the sports leagues themselves can hold it down w/ their anti-trust exemptions and unfair practices. But that won't last forever once the Googles and Netflixes have the capital to force the leagues' hands.
  - freehunter 13y ago
    I subscribed to MLB.tv for one month so I could watch my Detroit Tigers last year. Every game was blacked out, since I live in Michigan. I could only watch, for example, the Kansas City feed, with Kansas City announcers and Kansas City-focused commentary. I don't get antenna reception in my apartment for whatever reason, so I have no alternative. My alternative was to visit a local bar for games I needed to see, and just not watch anything else.
    - lionsdan 13y ago
      Lucky you don't live in Iowa. The Cubs, White Sox, Brewers, Twins, Cardinals, and Royals are all blacked out. That can be up to 40% of the entire schedule on many nights.
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > Y'all are confusing your words. No, I'm not. > "Blackouts" you describe are local TV broadcast blackouts if they don't sell out the stadium. That's one set of blackouts to limit the extent that remote viewing substitutes for live attendance, but... > "Blackouts" the GP describes are the blackouts on Sunday ticket because you are supposed to watch them locally. ...that's also a set of blackouts to limit the extent that remote viewing substitutes for live attendance (in part). (It prevents Sunday Ticket from providing an end-run around the other kind of blackout.) It also serves another similar purpose, to protect the local TV contract revenue in the same way that local TV blackouts protect stadium revenue.
burntsushi 13y ago
You can do it this year for $100 for the whole season. Just buy the Madden 25th Anniversary Edition on Amazon. [1] Before you read the fine print and conclude that it's only available to people who can't get DirecTV, please see this clarification [2] from Anthony Stevenson (Madden's director of marketing). If the clarification turns out to be false, Amazon will be getting a return from me and a strongly worded complaint. :-) [1] - http://www.amazon.com/Madden-Anniversary-Edition-Sunday-Playstation-3/dp/B00CF7KVGE http://www.amazon.com/Madden-Anniversary-Edition-Sunday-Play... [2] - http://kotaku.com/madden-special-edition-includes-sunday-ticket-even-wi-508524868 http://kotaku.com/madden-special-edition-includes-sunday-tic...
- bhousel 13y ago
  Looks like that doesn't include postseason..
  - burntsushi 13y ago
    No it doesn't. Just the regular season.
  - tjtrapp 13y ago
    Postseason typically shows all games on TV. This setup will allow us to watch any game regardless of where you live (and what your cable provider allows you to watch).
- tjtrapp 13y ago
  Holy cow! This sounds amazing for me b/c I'm a TWC subscriber and (b/c of my aptarments location) cannot get a DTV receiver installed.
- deleted 13y ago
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- chrisgd 13y ago
  I had not heard of this, thank you. I imagine there will be a number of used one's on ebay after people pull the passcode out of the box, which is what I am thinking about doing.

by aroch 13y ago

dragonwriter 13y ago

> I would certainly pay either company to get Live streams of NFL games (with no blackouts, I hate those with a passion). Blackouts exist to limit the extent that remote viewing substitutes for live attendance, as a means to support the live ticket prices. The alternative to blackouts is to accept that remote viewing is a substitute for live attendance, and to make the prices for remote viewing higher and those for live attendance lower.

aroch 13y ago
There's no pro team with several hundred miles of me. I know why blackouts exist, and they make sense to a degree in larger cities/areas near a team. However, if we're going to be honest, they have no problems selling tickets to games people actually want to go to. Assuming I had a more flexible work schedule, I would try to go to a few Steelers games (Which would, basically, force me to fly there...I wouldn't relish the drive). I don't even care about not getting all the games for every team, let me pick a set of teams (say 3-6) and get all their games live. Hell, I'll even take a pick of two teams for live streaming. I already subscribe to NFL network's streaming service for game replays, but there are some games -- like for the teams I support -- that I want live.
- consultant23522 13y ago
  I've never understood this mentality. If a company (in this case the NFL) doesn't want me to be their customer then I simply won't be. For example, I like watching the Sabres (hockey for the uninitiated), but only a couple games a season are available to me. Therefore, I have stopped watching the games and they don't receive any of my money in the form of merchandising or ad revenue because one fewer set of eyes are watching their ads.
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    The basic logic is simple: the league makes vastly more revenue per viewer from people in the stadium (ticket sales, concessions, etc.) then from people watching remotely (TV, streaming, etc.), so it can afford to lose lots of TV, streaming, etc. viewers if doing so avoids losing a small number (or a small share of the revenues from) in-stadium audience. > If a company (in this case the NFL) doesn't want me to be their customer then I simply won't be. Sacrificing low-revenue customers to preserve revenue from high-revenue customers isn't exactly a novel business model.
- djjose 13y ago
  That's what NBA League Pass offered last year. You pick a couple of teams and you get their games. I happily paid for it and will do so again this season. The NFL has driven me crazy with not adopting a similar model. I can't get DTV at my home (condo), I don't care about the local teams, and paying for the whole league wasn't available on my local provider. They had a PS3 streaming option last season but I read it didn't work reliably so I didn't bother. Like you, I'd happily pay to follow a few teams teams + Red Zone. Luckily, as someone above posted, there's a great deal for $99 this season to purchase Madden and get Sunday Ticket included. I jumped all over that!
- nmcveity 13y ago
  NFL offers a fantastic service, similar to the one you want, called gamepass. There is a catch (of course!), you just need to be in an international market. Its been a few years since I moved to the US so my memory is probably a little spotty but I seem to recall all games, live, HD with the ability to replay on demand (like gamerewind). You could also have the feed use the audio from teams radio network instead of the TV commentary. Man, I really miss that feature!
  - aroch 13y ago
    > NFL offers a fantastic service, similar to the one you want, called gamepass. There is a catch (of course!), you just need to be in an international market. I know, on top of that when I spent time in Switzerland I found out they get all the NFL games for free, live on TV. I've never understood why.
kodablah 13y ago
> Blackouts exist to limit the extent that remote viewing substitutes for live attendance Y'all are confusing your words. "Blackouts" you describe are local TV broadcast blackouts if they don't sell out the stadium. "Blackouts" the GP describes are the blackouts on Sunday ticket because you are supposed to watch them locally. Opinions: The former is good, it forces attendance. The latter is not, as it puts prevents regions that otherwise can't watch the games locally from being able to watch them at all (due to poor blackout zoning). MLB.TV is about to enter a lawsuit about this very thing, and though they'll likely win, it is a huge problem. Couple that with the ESPN's and others having a hatred for cord-cutters and you have an area ripe for disruption, even though the sports leagues themselves can hold it down w/ their anti-trust exemptions and unfair practices. But that won't last forever once the Googles and Netflixes have the capital to force the leagues' hands.
- freehunter 13y ago
  I subscribed to MLB.tv for one month so I could watch my Detroit Tigers last year. Every game was blacked out, since I live in Michigan. I could only watch, for example, the Kansas City feed, with Kansas City announcers and Kansas City-focused commentary. I don't get antenna reception in my apartment for whatever reason, so I have no alternative. My alternative was to visit a local bar for games I needed to see, and just not watch anything else.
  - lionsdan 13y ago
    Lucky you don't live in Iowa. The Cubs, White Sox, Brewers, Twins, Cardinals, and Royals are all blacked out. That can be up to 40% of the entire schedule on many nights.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > Y'all are confusing your words. No, I'm not. > "Blackouts" you describe are local TV broadcast blackouts if they don't sell out the stadium. That's one set of blackouts to limit the extent that remote viewing substitutes for live attendance, but... > "Blackouts" the GP describes are the blackouts on Sunday ticket because you are supposed to watch them locally. ...that's also a set of blackouts to limit the extent that remote viewing substitutes for live attendance (in part). (It prevents Sunday Ticket from providing an end-run around the other kind of blackout.) It also serves another similar purpose, to protect the local TV contract revenue in the same way that local TV blackouts protect stadium revenue.

burntsushi 13y ago

You can do it this year for $100 for the whole season. Just buy the Madden 25th Anniversary Edition on Amazon. [1] Before you read the fine print and conclude that it's only available to people who can't get DirecTV, please see this clarification [2] from Anthony Stevenson (Madden's director of marketing). If the clarification turns out to be false, Amazon will be getting a return from me and a strongly worded complaint. :-) [1] - http://www.amazon.com/Madden-Anniversary-Edition-Sunday-Playstation-3/dp/B00CF7KVGE http://www.amazon.com/Madden-Anniversary-Edition-Sunday-Play... [2] - http://kotaku.com/madden-special-edition-includes-sunday-ticket-even-wi-508524868 http://kotaku.com/madden-special-edition-includes-sunday-tic...

bhousel 13y ago
Looks like that doesn't include postseason..
- burntsushi 13y ago
  No it doesn't. Just the regular season.
- tjtrapp 13y ago
  Postseason typically shows all games on TV. This setup will allow us to watch any game regardless of where you live (and what your cable provider allows you to watch).
tjtrapp 13y ago
Holy cow! This sounds amazing for me b/c I'm a TWC subscriber and (b/c of my aptarments location) cannot get a DTV receiver installed.
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chrisgd 13y ago
I had not heard of this, thank you. I imagine there will be a number of used one's on ebay after people pull the passcode out of the box, which is what I am thinking about doing.