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Did you try reading the thread you are attempting to participate in? The whole problem is vaguely claiming that there's already products that cover the use cas

by asdasf 13y ago

Did you try reading the thread you are attempting to participate in? The whole problem is vaguely claiming that there's already products that cover the use case of soylent, but not giving a specific. None of the products you linked to provide 100% of known essential nutrients. None of them are intended to be used as a replacement for food, and none of them can be used as such with long term safety. It is absurd to see people bitching about how unsafe soylent is while claiming that products we 100% for certain know are not nutritionally complete already make soylent useless.

Retric 13y ago
None of the products you linked to provide 100% of known essential nutrients. None of them are intended to be used as a replacement for food, and none of them can be used as such with long term safety. No, that's almost exactly what these products are designed for. EX: Similac, Complete nutrition for your baby's first year. It should be noted that most of these are balanced nutritionally but not calorie wise because it's easy to backfill empty calories with soda etc and people generally drink quite a few extra calories. But, you really can live off of ensure complete and empty calories or just ensure if you don't mind spending more money.
- asdasf 13y ago
  Isn't silly nonsense like that supposed to be reserved for reddit? You are of course fully aware that I, and everyone else in this discussion, is over the age of 1. How is 13% of one micronutrient and 65% of another balanced? In order to get complete micronutrient coverage from ensure, you have to drink 5 a day, putting you at risk of overexposure to manganese assuming you drink water still.
  - Retric 13y ago
    Ahh, ok your assuming nutrients all need to hit exactly 100% each day to be heathy. The reality is perfection changes with age, Heath issues, pregnancy, sun exposure, body weight, and a host of other issues. However, close enough is plenty to stay in good heath. So, while there is no diet that works equally well for a nursing mother and a sedendary accountant both can stay heathy eating just rice and a multivitamin or enshure and some empty cal.
    - asdasf 13y ago
      No, I am not assuming anything. I gave you a specific real example of an actual problem. Do you have anything constructive to add to the discussion, or did you just want to provide an example of the kind of deliberately dishonest hand-waving I was referring to?
      - Retric 13y ago
        Let's look at some actual science. http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/DRI/DRI_Vitamin_A/394-419_150.pdf http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/DRI/DRI_Vitamin_A/394-419_150.p... The Manganease recommendation is based on observed western diets not actual need. From existing studies it looks like there is a fairly wide tolerable range for Manganease with some people needing quite a bit to maintain Manganease levels. Anyway, 5x ensure is well within the 'Tolerable Upper Limit' and thus Not an issue.
        asdasf 13y ago
        Except that most people get a significant amount of manganese from their water, thus putting them at risk. This is what I said in my post, which you should read before you reply to.
        Retric 13y ago
        Sorry, assuming you drink water still. does not read as assuming your water has unusual concentrations of Manganese. Even still, known heathrisks relate to breathing excesive Manganease as it's normally excreted though the gut not the urine. Edit: If it's really bothering you. Ambient manganese concentrations in seawater have been reported to range from 0.4 to 10 μg/l (ATSDR, 2000), with an average of about 2 μg/l (Barceloux, 1999). Levels in fresh water typically range from 1 to 200 μg/l (Barceloux, 1999). ATSDR (2000) reported that a river water survey in the USA found dissolved manganese levels ranging from <11 to >51 μg/l. The United States Geological Survey’s National Water Quality Assessment Program has gathered limited data since 1991 on representative study basins around the USA. These data indicate a median manganese level of 16 μg/l in surface waters, with 99th-percentile concentrations of 400–800 μg/l (Leahy & Thompson, 1994; USGS, 2001). Higher levels in aerobic waters are usually associated with industrial pollution.. (http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/chemicals/manganese.pdf http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/chemicals/man...) So, again there may be people that need to be consurned to it's less than 1% of the population and they can get buy by drinking bottled water if nothing else.
DanBC 13y ago
> None of the products you linked to provide 100% of known essential nutrients. None of them are intended to be used as a replacement for food You keep making this claim and it is just not true.

by asdasf 13y ago

Retric 13y ago

None of the products you linked to provide 100% of known essential nutrients. None of them are intended to be used as a replacement for food, and none of them can be used as such with long term safety. No, that's almost exactly what these products are designed for. EX: Similac, Complete nutrition for your baby's first year. It should be noted that most of these are balanced nutritionally but not calorie wise because it's easy to backfill empty calories with soda etc and people generally drink quite a few extra calories. But, you really can live off of ensure complete and empty calories or just ensure if you don't mind spending more money.

asdasf 13y ago
Isn't silly nonsense like that supposed to be reserved for reddit? You are of course fully aware that I, and everyone else in this discussion, is over the age of 1. How is 13% of one micronutrient and 65% of another balanced? In order to get complete micronutrient coverage from ensure, you have to drink 5 a day, putting you at risk of overexposure to manganese assuming you drink water still.
- Retric 13y ago
  Ahh, ok your assuming nutrients all need to hit exactly 100% each day to be heathy. The reality is perfection changes with age, Heath issues, pregnancy, sun exposure, body weight, and a host of other issues. However, close enough is plenty to stay in good heath. So, while there is no diet that works equally well for a nursing mother and a sedendary accountant both can stay heathy eating just rice and a multivitamin or enshure and some empty cal.
  - asdasf 13y ago
    No, I am not assuming anything. I gave you a specific real example of an actual problem. Do you have anything constructive to add to the discussion, or did you just want to provide an example of the kind of deliberately dishonest hand-waving I was referring to?
    - Retric 13y ago
      Let's look at some actual science. http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/DRI/DRI_Vitamin_A/394-419_150.pdf http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/DRI/DRI_Vitamin_A/394-419_150.p... The Manganease recommendation is based on observed western diets not actual need. From existing studies it looks like there is a fairly wide tolerable range for Manganease with some people needing quite a bit to maintain Manganease levels. Anyway, 5x ensure is well within the 'Tolerable Upper Limit' and thus Not an issue.
      - asdasf 13y ago
        Except that most people get a significant amount of manganese from their water, thus putting them at risk. This is what I said in my post, which you should read before you reply to.
        Retric 13y ago
        Sorry, assuming you drink water still. does not read as assuming your water has unusual concentrations of Manganese. Even still, known heathrisks relate to breathing excesive Manganease as it's normally excreted though the gut not the urine. Edit: If it's really bothering you. Ambient manganese concentrations in seawater have been reported to range from 0.4 to 10 μg/l (ATSDR, 2000), with an average of about 2 μg/l (Barceloux, 1999). Levels in fresh water typically range from 1 to 200 μg/l (Barceloux, 1999). ATSDR (2000) reported that a river water survey in the USA found dissolved manganese levels ranging from <11 to >51 μg/l. The United States Geological Survey’s National Water Quality Assessment Program has gathered limited data since 1991 on representative study basins around the USA. These data indicate a median manganese level of 16 μg/l in surface waters, with 99th-percentile concentrations of 400–800 μg/l (Leahy & Thompson, 1994; USGS, 2001). Higher levels in aerobic waters are usually associated with industrial pollution.. (http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/chemicals/manganese.pdf http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/chemicals/man...) So, again there may be people that need to be consurned to it's less than 1% of the population and they can get buy by drinking bottled water if nothing else.

DanBC 13y ago

> None of the products you linked to provide 100% of known essential nutrients. None of them are intended to be used as a replacement for food You keep making this claim and it is just not true.