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Get over it people, Google+ is the new account system for all Google products. If you don't like Google having a single account/profile system, or the fact tha

by lawdawg 13y ago

Get over it people, Google+ is the new account system for all Google products. If you don't like Google having a single account/profile system, or the fact that Google+ profiles include a "social" network product, then you best look for alternatives ASAP.

dohertyjf 13y ago
I don't think that's the point. The point is that Google isn't differentiating between a business profile and a personal profile well.
- lawdawg 13y ago
  Which is a UX problem, not a "Google attempting to drive me into yet another unwanted "social" network". You don't think it's in Google's best interest that channels create Google+ Pages rather than individual Google+ profiles?
  - drill_sarge 13y ago
    It is in Googles interest to have as many G+ profiles (aka potential userbase) as possible.
    - andygates 13y ago
      But they want each one to be tied to a single physical person. They actively dislike alts, which makes having a home profile and a work profile and $counterculture_of_choice profile or two awkward and annoying.
darklajid 13y ago
I try to. The single thing I struggle with? Android. Maybe Firefox OS will be interesting, iOS isn't. And .. right now I can pay for Android apps, but I'm banned from rate them, comment on them. Ignoring all the 'Do you want to be tracked to provide Better Services (tm)" stuff in that ecosystem.
- sirkneeland 13y ago
  You should have a look at Jolla and their Sailfish OS. Beautiful Linux system based off of MeeGo, not tied to any Google or even American servers. Google it--wait, no. Duckduckgo it ;)
  - pessimizer 13y ago
    http://www.collegehumor.com/video/5072264/googling-with-bing http://www.collegehumor.com/video/5072264/googling-with-bing The verb for searching the internet would have been Altavista had Altavista sounded like a verb:)
- fluidcruft 13y ago
  If your phone is supported, you could install CyanogenMod (it works fine without gapps installed). From there you can use f-droid for apps, but possibly Amazon App Store could be a good alternative to the Google Play morass.
  - 3825 13y ago
    >possibly Amazon App Store could be a good alternative to the Google Play morass. Sorry but the last time I tried, Amazon App store was a resource hog. Also apps will stop working if you get signed out of the Amazon app store app. It is like they are trying to prevent one guy who they think will buy a copy of their app, get on a stranger's device, log in to the app store, download their apps, and log out and repeat it for all devices in the world.
    - fluidcruft 13y ago
      I don't think any of that is true anymore.
      - andrewaylett 13y ago
        Unless it's changed in the last couple of weeks, it's still the case that you have to remain logged in to Amazon's app store. They don't use the native account manager either, which is irritating, and the store app sometimes loses your login credentials.
forgottenpass 13y ago
Get over it people It's OK to not like things. then you best look for alternatives ASAP. This is exactly what the author is doing. But even when the good outweighs the bad, its totally fine to stay using a service without some obligation to pretend like the negatives don't exist or never talk about them.
- johnward 13y ago
  Does ever single person have to blog about their decision though? Every other day there is some random post that someone doesn't want to use Google services for whatever reason. I don't care. Apparently HN does because a majority of them end up making the front page.
graeme 13y ago
It gets confusing very fast. I have a personal account, and a Google Apps account. I did work with a company that gave me a google apps account for their domain. And my youtube business page has a Google+ profile. It is very, very difficult to figure out how to not create duplicate Google+ profiles. There's no clear way to tell Google "This is a different email address that I, a person, use. You should link it to my personal profile".
shmerl 13y ago
What other altenratives are there that host video in HTML5 webm? Vimeo dropped the whole effort. This is really sick that Google forces thins G+ junk on Youtube users.
raheemm 13y ago
I moved from chrome to FF and google search to duckduckgo search after prism.
- humbledrone 13y ago
  You know that DuckDuckGo is a US company, right? And thus subject to the same exact laws as a company like Google (and the same NSA snooping). It's true that they don't log your search queries, but if the NSA has access to the root CAs they can snoop on you anyway. And what do you think happens if the government subpoenas DuckDuckGo and tells them to log your traffic? They will of course do so. And they have a MUCH smaller legal budget with which to fight such government requests than, say, Google. DuckDuckGo is a cool company, and I think they have a neat product. But if you're worried about the NSA, then you're kidding yourself if you think DDG is safer than any other search engine. Just use Tor and be done with it.
  - alexmat 13y ago
    DuckDuckGo Tor Hidden service address, for anyone interested: 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2010/08/duckduckgo-now-operates-a-tor-exit-enclave.html http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2010/08/duckduckgo-now-o...
  - deleted 13y ago
    [deleted]
  - raheemm 13y ago
    Yes you are right. But my switch was based more on a general "getting tired of google's bullshit" feeling that has been building over the last 2-3 years, especially my experience with google support, adwords, youtube integration, and all the crap that they know about me. At one time I was doing almost 90% of my work in google ecosystem. Now its spread between yahoo, ddg, dropbox, etc. I feel even more strongly about Facebook. If and when a viable alternative is available, I'll be switching. Similarly with email. For the first time I'm starting to become open to paid email that is secure. I guess it has to be a non-US company.
marssaxman 13y ago
I have gotten over it, and I have already switched to alternatives, but maybe your message would go over a little better if it included some trace of sympathy.
lazyjones 13y ago
> Get over it people, Google+ is the new account system for all Google products. Maybe Google should finally get over the fact that they've lost this fight and that noone wants to be in a social network whose member numbers are inflated by such desperate moves (which most of us have experienced now and are well aware of).
- habosa 13y ago
  If you follow Google's strategy, you'll see that they really are not interested in the "stream-view war" with Facebook that everyone seems so intent on their playing. Instead, Google+ is a social backbone that connects all Google products (present and future) and gives you a single Google identity across the internet.
  - chronic25 13y ago
    Not everyone wants this identity. Especially with your real name.

by lawdawg 13y ago

dohertyjf 13y ago

I don't think that's the point. The point is that Google isn't differentiating between a business profile and a personal profile well.

lawdawg 13y ago
Which is a UX problem, not a "Google attempting to drive me into yet another unwanted "social" network". You don't think it's in Google's best interest that channels create Google+ Pages rather than individual Google+ profiles?
- drill_sarge 13y ago
  It is in Googles interest to have as many G+ profiles (aka potential userbase) as possible.
  - andygates 13y ago
    But they want each one to be tied to a single physical person. They actively dislike alts, which makes having a home profile and a work profile and $counterculture_of_choice profile or two awkward and annoying.

darklajid 13y ago

I try to. The single thing I struggle with? Android. Maybe Firefox OS will be interesting, iOS isn't. And .. right now I can pay for Android apps, but I'm banned from rate them, comment on them. Ignoring all the 'Do you want to be tracked to provide Better Services (tm)" stuff in that ecosystem.

sirkneeland 13y ago
You should have a look at Jolla and their Sailfish OS. Beautiful Linux system based off of MeeGo, not tied to any Google or even American servers. Google it--wait, no. Duckduckgo it ;)
- pessimizer 13y ago
  http://www.collegehumor.com/video/5072264/googling-with-bing http://www.collegehumor.com/video/5072264/googling-with-bing The verb for searching the internet would have been Altavista had Altavista sounded like a verb:)
fluidcruft 13y ago
If your phone is supported, you could install CyanogenMod (it works fine without gapps installed). From there you can use f-droid for apps, but possibly Amazon App Store could be a good alternative to the Google Play morass.
- 3825 13y ago
  >possibly Amazon App Store could be a good alternative to the Google Play morass. Sorry but the last time I tried, Amazon App store was a resource hog. Also apps will stop working if you get signed out of the Amazon app store app. It is like they are trying to prevent one guy who they think will buy a copy of their app, get on a stranger's device, log in to the app store, download their apps, and log out and repeat it for all devices in the world.
  - fluidcruft 13y ago
    I don't think any of that is true anymore.
    - andrewaylett 13y ago
      Unless it's changed in the last couple of weeks, it's still the case that you have to remain logged in to Amazon's app store. They don't use the native account manager either, which is irritating, and the store app sometimes loses your login credentials.

forgottenpass 13y ago

Get over it people It's OK to not like things. then you best look for alternatives ASAP. This is exactly what the author is doing. But even when the good outweighs the bad, its totally fine to stay using a service without some obligation to pretend like the negatives don't exist or never talk about them.

johnward 13y ago
Does ever single person have to blog about their decision though? Every other day there is some random post that someone doesn't want to use Google services for whatever reason. I don't care. Apparently HN does because a majority of them end up making the front page.

graeme 13y ago

It gets confusing very fast. I have a personal account, and a Google Apps account. I did work with a company that gave me a google apps account for their domain. And my youtube business page has a Google+ profile. It is very, very difficult to figure out how to not create duplicate Google+ profiles. There's no clear way to tell Google "This is a different email address that I, a person, use. You should link it to my personal profile".

shmerl 13y ago

What other altenratives are there that host video in HTML5 webm? Vimeo dropped the whole effort. This is really sick that Google forces thins G+ junk on Youtube users.

raheemm 13y ago

I moved from chrome to FF and google search to duckduckgo search after prism.

humbledrone 13y ago
You know that DuckDuckGo is a US company, right? And thus subject to the same exact laws as a company like Google (and the same NSA snooping). It's true that they don't log your search queries, but if the NSA has access to the root CAs they can snoop on you anyway. And what do you think happens if the government subpoenas DuckDuckGo and tells them to log your traffic? They will of course do so. And they have a MUCH smaller legal budget with which to fight such government requests than, say, Google. DuckDuckGo is a cool company, and I think they have a neat product. But if you're worried about the NSA, then you're kidding yourself if you think DDG is safer than any other search engine. Just use Tor and be done with it.
- alexmat 13y ago
  DuckDuckGo Tor Hidden service address, for anyone interested: 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2010/08/duckduckgo-now-operates-a-tor-exit-enclave.html http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2010/08/duckduckgo-now-o...
- deleted 13y ago
  [deleted]
- raheemm 13y ago
  Yes you are right. But my switch was based more on a general "getting tired of google's bullshit" feeling that has been building over the last 2-3 years, especially my experience with google support, adwords, youtube integration, and all the crap that they know about me. At one time I was doing almost 90% of my work in google ecosystem. Now its spread between yahoo, ddg, dropbox, etc. I feel even more strongly about Facebook. If and when a viable alternative is available, I'll be switching. Similarly with email. For the first time I'm starting to become open to paid email that is secure. I guess it has to be a non-US company.

marssaxman 13y ago

I have gotten over it, and I have already switched to alternatives, but maybe your message would go over a little better if it included some trace of sympathy.

lazyjones 13y ago

> Get over it people, Google+ is the new account system for all Google products. Maybe Google should finally get over the fact that they've lost this fight and that noone wants to be in a social network whose member numbers are inflated by such desperate moves (which most of us have experienced now and are well aware of).

habosa 13y ago
If you follow Google's strategy, you'll see that they really are not interested in the "stream-view war" with Facebook that everyone seems so intent on their playing. Instead, Google+ is a social backbone that connects all Google products (present and future) and gives you a single Google identity across the internet.
- chronic25 13y ago
  Not everyone wants this identity. Especially with your real name.