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Wow, that's pretty rude. The sociologist in the article - getting paid over 120k. Read the article before jumping with rage. Basic economics - the low pay is
by unz 13y ago
Wow, that's pretty rude.
The sociologist in the article - getting paid over 120k. Read the article before jumping with rage.
Basic economics - the low pay is a result of oversupply of people willing to do the work. The oversupply is because many uneducated men being churned out from k12. k12 is run by teachers.
I'm quite sure you're a teacher or your parents were teacher, that explains the rage (By the way, one of my parents was a teacher, but I'm not going to use that to excuse the system).
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- walshemj 13y agoTo be blunt it is because you are trolling and being a dick.
- sophacles 13y agoDisagreement is not rage. Questioning your position is not rage. Questioning how a comment is topical is not rage. The model you are proposing has great post-hoc explanatory powers within the united states - however it does not appear to have predictive powers over what we will find in other places and times. Therefore I question it's validity, until you can show how the same model applies to other situations, and can show exigent factors that are relevant when it doesn't apply. Again, this is not rage - this is merely not accepting an insufficiently explained model at face value. FWIW (not that it matters): I am a software engineer/programmer, my parents are in sales and HR, my other family members are not in education either. I just think overly simple explanations should always be questioned. As for the salary of a government worker - that depends on the job they do, the value they create etc. I don't know the details to make blanket statements. I think there is a tradeoff - good people doing the job requires competitive salary, paying bad salaries is generally more expensive as it requires more workers to do the same job.
- unz 13y agoYou said 'rant' twice, not exactly polite disagreement. The models are pretty simple - they are called supply and demand. They work for everything else in economics. Low pay for dangerous work is not so exceptional situation. In poorer countries, there is even less pay for even more dangerous work, because education is even worse there. There's a few data points there. And there's quite a lot of literature on the education system and teacher unions. To start off with their's Waiting For Superman (2010).
- sophacles 13y agoUntil there is data, not talking points or vague references to other models, it is in face just a rant. What is the actual supply? What is the actual demand? What is the curve function for the supply and demand lines for education and workers? What factors of those functions are accounting for teacher unions and what is the source data that you used to fit those functions in your model. I don't mean a handful of words - I mean actual data with numbers, or at least a citation to a work that has that available. Waiting for Superman may include those - I haven't read it. As for the attempt to derail over "politeness concerns" because I used the word rant - I won't bite.
- unz 13y agoLooking at your posting history you appear to be a professional forum arguer/troll and would be in full agreement if you hadn't started off with the opposite stance, so I'll end it there. By the way, very few of your comments have data backing them up, and often are just simple 'models' with some variables you wrote down mixed in with rudeness to other commenters.
- sophacles 13y agoWait what? This is a full move into ad hominem. Just because you don't like my request for more information and a better explanation, or don't like my past involvement with trolls, doesn't mean my point is invalid. I am merely requesting more information on your claims.