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"The US government makes a copy of anything you upload to the internet" So accuracy isn't really something you're all that concerned with? It is my understand

"The US government makes a copy of anything you upload to the internet" So accuracy isn't really something you're all that concerned with? It is my understanding (and certainly could be wrong) that the whole PRISM thing was the ability for the government to get their hands on any data they wished, not that they're making copies of everything. I believe metadata is stored, which is an entirely different animal.

chris_mahan 13y ago
I'm just saying that "ordinary people" will follow what us geeks say, even when we're slightly wrong, because our guesses are much better than their guesses.
Torgo 13y ago
It's the least untruth.
computer 13y ago
That's PRISM, one of tens of programs that exist. Look up XKEYSCORE, for an example that does include mirroring "all" internet traffic. Pot and kettle; make sure you read everything, and don't get caught in their "Oh no we shut down that specific program a long time ago!" plausible deniability schemes that neglect to mention the 7 other programs they run that do the same thing. I think it's unlikely that the NSA is actually storing all photo's uploaded to Facebook long-term, of course.
RockyMcNuts 13y ago
Wait, you're really gonna call BS on someone who doesn't pin their hopes on the fine line between 'can make a copy' and 'makes a copy?' You realize the agencies have been using a bizarro definition of surveillance where they can capture everything and it's only surveillance once an agent listens to it? ( http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/07/nsa_lexicon_how_james_clapper_and_other_u_s_officials_mislead_the_american.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/201... ) Snowden says they can do it. ISP sources confirm the government is trying to do it, but they are forbidden from disclosing the exact nature of what is done. You're really going to believe the people who have been busted lying about it and say anyone who doesn't is not concerned with 'accuracy?' And what does metadata mean, anyway? If the government stores everybody you've been in a picture with, or who's looked at your pictures, but doesn't store the picture, is that really supposed to make us feel better?

chris_mahan 13y ago

I'm just saying that "ordinary people" will follow what us geeks say, even when we're slightly wrong, because our guesses are much better than their guesses.

Torgo 13y ago

It's the least untruth.

computer 13y ago

That's PRISM, one of tens of programs that exist. Look up XKEYSCORE, for an example that does include mirroring "all" internet traffic. Pot and kettle; make sure you read everything, and don't get caught in their "Oh no we shut down that specific program a long time ago!" plausible deniability schemes that neglect to mention the 7 other programs they run that do the same thing. I think it's unlikely that the NSA is actually storing all photo's uploaded to Facebook long-term, of course.

RockyMcNuts 13y ago

Wait, you're really gonna call BS on someone who doesn't pin their hopes on the fine line between 'can make a copy' and 'makes a copy?' You realize the agencies have been using a bizarro definition of surveillance where they can capture everything and it's only surveillance once an agent listens to it? ( http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2013/07/nsa_lexicon_how_james_clapper_and_other_u_s_officials_mislead_the_american.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/201... ) Snowden says they can do it. ISP sources confirm the government is trying to do it, but they are forbidden from disclosing the exact nature of what is done. You're really going to believe the people who have been busted lying about it and say anyone who doesn't is not concerned with 'accuracy?' And what does metadata mean, anyway? If the government stores everybody you've been in a picture with, or who's looked at your pictures, but doesn't store the picture, is that really supposed to make us feel better?