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If no actual surveillance data was leaked, though, that's likely because Snowden is an idealist. It seems that he had access to that data. If the next leaker ju

by kalkin 13y ago

If no actual surveillance data was leaked, though, that's likely because Snowden is an idealist. It seems that he had access to that data. If the next leaker just wants some cash, things could change. (Or, hell, maybe the previous leaker--maybe spy is a better word here--who didn't get caught because s/he didn't go public, or was purely the victim of an ultra-sophisticated phishing attempt!)

rolux 13y ago
Which is precisely what I was hinting at. The idea that the NSA would be capable of keeping this data absolutely confidential is ludicrous. And that's why in the future (most likely already today) it will be relatively safe to assume that there are other parties, be it individuals or organizations, that have access to some aspect of your private communication.
- dobbsbob 13y ago
  Bruce Schneier already posted last week on how the NSA 'slipped up' thousands of times every year since 2008 leaking this wholesale vacuumed data all over the place. He advocates for corporations to fight the NSA instead of bending over for them because it's them who will get screwed in the end when their data ends up leaked too http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/08/the_nsa_is_comm.html http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/08/the_nsa_is_com... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10246617/Edward-Snowden-leaks-documents-showing-thousands-of-breaches-of-NSA-privacy-rules.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1... ..
ENOTTY 13y ago
At this point, you and I are just speculating on which outcome is more likely. I'm arguing there are probably significant data controls. You're arguing that the data was accessible but not leaked because he was an idealist. Until there's evidence pointing either way, this is just speculation. I would argue that the most direct way to prove the extent of spying would be to actually expose the data that was gathered. Therefore, after weighing the privacy of the unfortunate soul versus demonstrating to the world the power and pervasiveness of this system, he might have an incentive to leak the actual data, if he had access to it.

by kalkin 13y ago

rolux 13y ago

Which is precisely what I was hinting at. The idea that the NSA would be capable of keeping this data absolutely confidential is ludicrous. And that's why in the future (most likely already today) it will be relatively safe to assume that there are other parties, be it individuals or organizations, that have access to some aspect of your private communication.

dobbsbob 13y ago
Bruce Schneier already posted last week on how the NSA 'slipped up' thousands of times every year since 2008 leaking this wholesale vacuumed data all over the place. He advocates for corporations to fight the NSA instead of bending over for them because it's them who will get screwed in the end when their data ends up leaked too http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/08/the_nsa_is_comm.html http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/08/the_nsa_is_com... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10246617/Edward-Snowden-leaks-documents-showing-thousands-of-breaches-of-NSA-privacy-rules.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1... ..

ENOTTY 13y ago

At this point, you and I are just speculating on which outcome is more likely. I'm arguing there are probably significant data controls. You're arguing that the data was accessible but not leaked because he was an idealist. Until there's evidence pointing either way, this is just speculation. I would argue that the most direct way to prove the extent of spying would be to actually expose the data that was gathered. Therefore, after weighing the privacy of the unfortunate soul versus demonstrating to the world the power and pervasiveness of this system, he might have an incentive to leak the actual data, if he had access to it.