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It's the stuff like this that lends credence to the 9/11 truther nuts. While I still don't think 9/11 was an inside job, it's very clear that the 2nd phase of t

It's the stuff like this that lends credence to the 9/11 truther nuts. While I still don't think 9/11 was an inside job, it's very clear that the 2nd phase of that theory is in full effect all over the world. They're using terrorism as a justification to silence people and control us, right before our very eyes. This is scary stuff folks.

harrytuttle 13y ago
It's a shame that only about 5% of us give a shit about it as well. It's working pretty well.
- andy_ppp 13y ago
  5% seems very high. Maybe 5% of geeks? Maybe they'll just round everyone up who wears glasses or just datamine our hacker news posts. Balls.
- madaxe 13y ago
  I think it's more like 0.05% of us give a shit. Nobody else gives a damn so long as American Idol on Ice-Factor or whatever the hell people are vicariously existing through these days airs. Humanity is neatly self correcting themselves out of existence. Have you got a 27b/6?
samstave 13y ago
Try watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-a4B4aNStQ#t=1h22m55s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-a4B4aNStQ#t=1h22m55s
hahainternet 13y ago
> It's the stuff like this that lends credence to the 9/11 truther nuts Really? That's where you're going with this?
- corin_ 13y ago
  There's two things to consider regarding 9/11 conspiracies - is it true that they would want the benefits that fear of terrorism has lead to, and if so would they actually have killed people for that sake. We're seeing more and more that the first part of that is true, i.e. proving the motive. That said, I'm firmly in the "it wasn't a conspiracy" camp - but you can at least see why a conspiracy believer would see these things as backing up part of their beliefs.
  - hahainternet 13y ago
    With respect, a conspiracy believer sees everything as backing up their beliefs. That is the major defining characteristic of conspiracy theorists, their ability to twist everything to support their narrative. People have a tendency to see the short term and hype it up beyond all belief. At the same time as we are discussing this, the CIA have formally admitted to essentially trying to destroy a democratic nation. I like to try and keep things in perspective.
    - corin_ 13y ago
      > With respect, a conspiracy believer sees everything as backing up their beliefs. I think that's a slightly narrow-minded view of it, as there's no black and white single line between being a conspiracy theorist or not. It's all subjective, and while some conspiracies most of us may agree are obviously that, others can be far more subtle/debatable. Not that long ago, people who believed the NSA were spying on people to the extent that we now know they are would have been labelled by many as conspiracy theorists. Now we know they were just... people with the correct knowledge and/or guesses. So because they were once thought to be conspiracy believers we should lump them into one category and say "they see everything as backing up their beliefs"? The nuttier a belief is, and the longer it goes on, the more likely it is we're to hear about it. For every new "this proves me right", those of us who don't believe it think here we go again..., while for every new "this proves me wrong I've changed my mind", we don't hear about that. All in all, there are two options about 9/11. Either it was a Government plan, in which case of course new points support the theory, and one day we will probably find out the truth. Or the conspiracies are complete bullshit, in which case some statements/facts will be used erroneously to support them, but that doesn't necessarily mean there aren't statements/facts which genuinely do support those theories.

harrytuttle 13y ago

It's a shame that only about 5% of us give a shit about it as well. It's working pretty well.

andy_ppp 13y ago
5% seems very high. Maybe 5% of geeks? Maybe they'll just round everyone up who wears glasses or just datamine our hacker news posts. Balls.
madaxe 13y ago
I think it's more like 0.05% of us give a shit. Nobody else gives a damn so long as American Idol on Ice-Factor or whatever the hell people are vicariously existing through these days airs. Humanity is neatly self correcting themselves out of existence. Have you got a 27b/6?

samstave 13y ago

Try watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-a4B4aNStQ#t=1h22m55s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-a4B4aNStQ#t=1h22m55s

hahainternet 13y ago

> It's the stuff like this that lends credence to the 9/11 truther nuts Really? That's where you're going with this?

corin_ 13y ago
There's two things to consider regarding 9/11 conspiracies - is it true that they would want the benefits that fear of terrorism has lead to, and if so would they actually have killed people for that sake. We're seeing more and more that the first part of that is true, i.e. proving the motive. That said, I'm firmly in the "it wasn't a conspiracy" camp - but you can at least see why a conspiracy believer would see these things as backing up part of their beliefs.
- hahainternet 13y ago
  With respect, a conspiracy believer sees everything as backing up their beliefs. That is the major defining characteristic of conspiracy theorists, their ability to twist everything to support their narrative. People have a tendency to see the short term and hype it up beyond all belief. At the same time as we are discussing this, the CIA have formally admitted to essentially trying to destroy a democratic nation. I like to try and keep things in perspective.
  - corin_ 13y ago
    > With respect, a conspiracy believer sees everything as backing up their beliefs. I think that's a slightly narrow-minded view of it, as there's no black and white single line between being a conspiracy theorist or not. It's all subjective, and while some conspiracies most of us may agree are obviously that, others can be far more subtle/debatable. Not that long ago, people who believed the NSA were spying on people to the extent that we now know they are would have been labelled by many as conspiracy theorists. Now we know they were just... people with the correct knowledge and/or guesses. So because they were once thought to be conspiracy believers we should lump them into one category and say "they see everything as backing up their beliefs"? The nuttier a belief is, and the longer it goes on, the more likely it is we're to hear about it. For every new "this proves me right", those of us who don't believe it think here we go again..., while for every new "this proves me wrong I've changed my mind", we don't hear about that. All in all, there are two options about 9/11. Either it was a Government plan, in which case of course new points support the theory, and one day we will probably find out the truth. Or the conspiracies are complete bullshit, in which case some statements/facts will be used erroneously to support them, but that doesn't necessarily mean there aren't statements/facts which genuinely do support those theories.