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I like Tesla and I like this car okay, but that is not a crossover. I have a Nissan Rogue which is on the smaller side of the crossover range and the body heigh

I like Tesla and I like this car okay, but that is not a crossover. I have a Nissan Rogue which is on the smaller side of the crossover range and the body height it still significant enough where you could tell it's certainly not a sedan even with a casual glance. The only similarity that has is the flat back. Good luck as well with those falcon wing doors when you're trying to park at your downtown football stadium or of course, wanting any roof accessories. Once again, not a crossover, because crossover basically means a small engine SUV. This is a sedan with a flat ass. Wouldn't there be major safety concerns during a rollover? How the hell would you get out of your burning Model X?

zensavona 13y ago
Presumably the same way you'd get out of your burning Mercedes SLS AMG http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/17/video-mercedes-benz-sls-amg-crash-test-video-shows-off-explodin/ http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/17/video-mercedes-benz-sls-a...
- homosaur 13y ago
  Ah, henge pin charges, makes sense. I suppose you could just kick the doors off at that point.
aschampion 13y ago
Most normal car doors aren't going to open well after a rollover, either.
- homosaur 13y ago
  That's absolutely true, but you also don't need a special mechanism to pop the hinges.
  - muhfuhkuh 13y ago
    I thought the jaws of life usually does the trick in a rollover whether its conventional, suicide, butterfly, or gullwing doors.
tankenmate 13y ago
The Model X has such a low centre of gravity that you'd need to be driving almost deliberately to rollover; the only exception to that would be driving the car with negligently low tire pressure and/or overly soft suspension (I always wondered why rollover rates in the US were so high until I realised that cars that ship in America tend to have much softer suspension than they do in the rest of the world).
- freehunter 13y ago
  There are plenty of cases where you can roll without intending to roll. If you are forced off the road (by another driver, by ice, poor reaction to deer crossing the road, etc), hitting a ditch at 50mph at the right angle will almost surely launch your car sideways. Being hit by another car running a red light could easily launch you sideways as well.
- homosaur 13y ago
  This could actually be even lower on the highway as well due to the smart suspension (optional, but common) that lowers the car at highway speeds. Why are suspensions softer in the US? Is that simply related to the fact that a large slice of the rural market is driving on unpaved roads frequently? I would assume this would be an issue elsewhere in the world also, but perhaps not in Europe.
  - freehunter 13y ago
    I don't know that cars in the US necessarily have softer suspension than their European counterparts, but I can attest to the fact that it is not due to the rural population. Much of the rural population will be driving pickup trucks or truck-based SUVs, which have much stiffer suspension than a normal car. I know that older Cadillac models would have very soft suspension (that's why people refer to them as boats, they take bumps like they were riding waves). I can't attest to that being a factor in any higher incidence of rollovers. If there was in fact a higher percentage of rollover accidents in the US, I would put more money on this being due to the fact that the US really likes truck-based SUVs (Jeep Grand Cherokee, Jeep Wrangler, Chevy Blazer/Tahoe, Toyota 4Runner, etc) with lots of weight really high up. My 1998 4Runner even had a warning sticker saying you can't corner like you would in a car without risk of rollover. In short, people buy cars they don't know how to drive.
Florin_Andrei 13y ago
> wanting any roof accessories https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/168014307009892354 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/168014307009892354

zensavona 13y ago

Presumably the same way you'd get out of your burning Mercedes SLS AMG http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/17/video-mercedes-benz-sls-amg-crash-test-video-shows-off-explodin/ http://www.autoblog.com/2009/11/17/video-mercedes-benz-sls-a...

homosaur 13y ago
Ah, henge pin charges, makes sense. I suppose you could just kick the doors off at that point.

aschampion 13y ago

Most normal car doors aren't going to open well after a rollover, either.

homosaur 13y ago
That's absolutely true, but you also don't need a special mechanism to pop the hinges.
- muhfuhkuh 13y ago
  I thought the jaws of life usually does the trick in a rollover whether its conventional, suicide, butterfly, or gullwing doors.

tankenmate 13y ago

The Model X has such a low centre of gravity that you'd need to be driving almost deliberately to rollover; the only exception to that would be driving the car with negligently low tire pressure and/or overly soft suspension (I always wondered why rollover rates in the US were so high until I realised that cars that ship in America tend to have much softer suspension than they do in the rest of the world).

freehunter 13y ago
There are plenty of cases where you can roll without intending to roll. If you are forced off the road (by another driver, by ice, poor reaction to deer crossing the road, etc), hitting a ditch at 50mph at the right angle will almost surely launch your car sideways. Being hit by another car running a red light could easily launch you sideways as well.
homosaur 13y ago
This could actually be even lower on the highway as well due to the smart suspension (optional, but common) that lowers the car at highway speeds. Why are suspensions softer in the US? Is that simply related to the fact that a large slice of the rural market is driving on unpaved roads frequently? I would assume this would be an issue elsewhere in the world also, but perhaps not in Europe.
- freehunter 13y ago
  I don't know that cars in the US necessarily have softer suspension than their European counterparts, but I can attest to the fact that it is not due to the rural population. Much of the rural population will be driving pickup trucks or truck-based SUVs, which have much stiffer suspension than a normal car. I know that older Cadillac models would have very soft suspension (that's why people refer to them as boats, they take bumps like they were riding waves). I can't attest to that being a factor in any higher incidence of rollovers. If there was in fact a higher percentage of rollover accidents in the US, I would put more money on this being due to the fact that the US really likes truck-based SUVs (Jeep Grand Cherokee, Jeep Wrangler, Chevy Blazer/Tahoe, Toyota 4Runner, etc) with lots of weight really high up. My 1998 4Runner even had a warning sticker saying you can't corner like you would in a car without risk of rollover. In short, people buy cars they don't know how to drive.

Florin_Andrei 13y ago

> wanting any roof accessories https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/168014307009892354 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/168014307009892354