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You assume that one is breaking the law by listening to an unreleased album. I do not believe that is the case. The primary assumption is that you will (or hav

You assume that one is breaking the law by listening to an unreleased album. I do not believe that is the case. The primary assumption is that you will (or have) copy(ied) and thus violated copyright. That's only true in cases you actually copied them. If somebody else handed you copied discs, then it is they who broke copyright, not you. Listening to them would be perfectly legal, as long as you dont copy them.

ubernostrum 17y ago
"That's only true in cases you actually copied them. If somebody else handed you copied discs, then it is they who broke copyright, not you." However, it follows logically that, if you are in possession of a copy of an album prior to its authorized release, someone in the chain has committed copyright infringement by producing and/or distributing copies of the album without authorization from the copyright holder. Which means you'll still get to take part in legal proceedings regardless of whether you're the defendant (you can be compelled to provide information about how you obtained the unauthorized copy).
axod 17y ago
So if someone steals a car, then gives you it, it's fine? (I'm just talking morally, not legally).
- cabalamat 17y ago
  So if someone makes a copy of a car, and gives it to you, it's not fine?
  - axod 17y ago
    That wasn't my point. My point was, that if someone commits a crime, and then "gives" you the product of that crime, it doesn't mean you're innocent if you knew a crime was committed. If someone breaks in to Google and steals some trade secrets, copies them to a memory-stick, and gives them to you, etc I should have known better to compare stealing music to stealing cars ;)
paul9290 17y ago
There was a law passed in 2005 I think by copyright that said if your in possession of a pre-release then they can come down hard on you if found out. If your listening to the new U2 before it's release then you have possession of the file on your hard drive and allowing last.fm to scrobble it (stupid)! I use to be download this and download that and not give a rats tail if i was stealing or not. Thought oh Im just sticking it to the man. Well now I run my own business(start up) I have a different perspective. As well the perspective of ten years of the RIAA continuing to fight and win against innovation (Seeqpod being the latest of many before it) and bashing into our heads (at least trying) that downloading something you would have otherwise bought circa 1997(majority of downloaders) is stealing! I think a lot of what the RIAA does is dumb, but they run a business, which is out to make money and thus they are finding their way kicking and screaming into new models. Though everyone wishes they'd go away or at least that's what they say and yet those same ppl continue to consume their product keeping them going and stronger!

ubernostrum 17y ago

"That's only true in cases you actually copied them. If somebody else handed you copied discs, then it is they who broke copyright, not you." However, it follows logically that, if you are in possession of a copy of an album prior to its authorized release, someone in the chain has committed copyright infringement by producing and/or distributing copies of the album without authorization from the copyright holder. Which means you'll still get to take part in legal proceedings regardless of whether you're the defendant (you can be compelled to provide information about how you obtained the unauthorized copy).

axod 17y ago

So if someone steals a car, then gives you it, it's fine? (I'm just talking morally, not legally).

cabalamat 17y ago
So if someone makes a copy of a car, and gives it to you, it's not fine?
- axod 17y ago
  That wasn't my point. My point was, that if someone commits a crime, and then "gives" you the product of that crime, it doesn't mean you're innocent if you knew a crime was committed. If someone breaks in to Google and steals some trade secrets, copies them to a memory-stick, and gives them to you, etc I should have known better to compare stealing music to stealing cars ;)

paul9290 17y ago

There was a law passed in 2005 I think by copyright that said if your in possession of a pre-release then they can come down hard on you if found out. If your listening to the new U2 before it's release then you have possession of the file on your hard drive and allowing last.fm to scrobble it (stupid)! I use to be download this and download that and not give a rats tail if i was stealing or not. Thought oh Im just sticking it to the man. Well now I run my own business(start up) I have a different perspective. As well the perspective of ten years of the RIAA continuing to fight and win against innovation (Seeqpod being the latest of many before it) and bashing into our heads (at least trying) that downloading something you would have otherwise bought circa 1997(majority of downloaders) is stealing! I think a lot of what the RIAA does is dumb, but they run a business, which is out to make money and thus they are finding their way kicking and screaming into new models. Though everyone wishes they'd go away or at least that's what they say and yet those same ppl continue to consume their product keeping them going and stronger!