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I've written about this before. The problem is that any critique of Musk on HN is met with extreme opposition. Almost like the other HN meme: all corporations
by robomartin 13y ago
I've written about this before. The problem is that any critique of Musk on HN is met with extreme opposition. Almost like the other HN meme: all corporations and CEO's are greedy except for Apple and Jobs (and probably Tesla/SpaceX/Musk).
Well, I'm glad people are now seeing that this is not a serious proposal. I actually think this is an elaborate marketing move. Not much Tesla news lately.
While I don't have a PhD in Physics, I do have a PhD in Having Designed and Built Lots of Shit. I have touched enough disciplines outside of my EE training to have a pretty good reality meter when it comes to engineering.
Thermal expansion, earthquake survivability, cost and plausibility were probably the first few issues that stood out to me.
Thermal expansion is a huge problem. It is also a first year college physics problem.
What is not mentioned in this article is thermal shrinking! I am surprised the author did not focus on that a bit.
And then there's the more complicated problem of differential thermal effects. Put another way, you can have a portion of the tube pushing while another portion would is pulling.
The bottom line is that there's a need for tube-to-tube gaps bridged with compliant material. This would localize thermal effects to a single tube and prevent propagation up and down the system. Welding is out of the question.
The superficial treatment of earthquakes is also of concern. Many years ago I devoted a non-trivial amount of time to understanding earthquake physics because of a large project I was heading that required earthquake survivability. I learned just how serious these events can be. There are at least four effects to deal with: ground acceleration, structure resonance, amplification of acceleration magnitude within structures (resonant "snap"). This isn't the right venue to discuss this at length. You'd have to design for ground accelerations in excess of 5 g, ground displacement in the one to five meter range and "snap" accelerations in the 10 to 50 g range (guessing the high end). And do so for six degrees of freedom (xyz and the respective rotations).
Just yesterday I drove along a 100 mile stretch of the Golden State freeway. I took note of the viability of installing support columns every 100 ft. Let's just say the very idea does not align with any imaginable reality.
Great marketing though. No need to deliver anything real. Thise not equipped to understand the real engineering and business problems will surely elevate Musk to even greater genious status and recoil at the very idea of criticizing him. My prediction is that somwhere in Washington someone is trying to figure out how to throw a few hundred billion dollars at this and use it for political gain as well.
- moocowduckquack 13y ago"I do have a PhD in Having Designed and Built Lots of Shit." Is that from the University of Life after a time spent at the School of Hard Knocks by any chance?
- robomartin 13y agoA man holding a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. --Mark Twain Love that one. Just when you think you are soooooo smart something comes around to humble you. Life kinda works that way.
- moocowduckquack 13y agoI like his, "don't let school interfere with your education" However, to go with a line about having a "PhD in Having Designed and Built Lots of Shit" just sounds like something straight out of a Python sketch. Besides, PhD's are not generally given out for "Having Designed and Built Lots of Shit", but more for having completed and documented an original body of research, to the standard required for submission to academic peer review. You don't need to have a PhD to have done that, or to even be seeking a PhD when you do that. In that sense it is possible to even pick up PhD's almost by accident, if you are uncommonly curious and dedicated. I have designed and built and fiddled with all sorts of complicated crap. I have not done a PhD however. A PhD is a different discipline. Someone who has genuinely put the work into a PhD doesn't just know a lot about the subject of their PhD, they are the authority.
- robomartin 13y agoPlease don't take a joke on my part too far. It was just intended as a joke, nothing more. We have someone in the family with a PhD in Physics and we've had lots of very interesting conversations. We see each other several times a month in the context of family gatherings. Amazing depth of knowledge in his area (orbital mechanics mostly). Worked at JPL, etc. He can't even assemble Ikea furniture. Does not like to exist in that world. My son and I had to go to his house and install a window air conditioner for him because he had no idea where to start and barely owns any tools. I find that odd and funny in many ways. When it comes to real-world embodiments of theoretical constructs he checks out. He was zero experience doing anything "real". I tried to have my son work with his uncle on some of his school science projects because I want him to engage with people at various levels. Every attempt has been a complete disaster. He either does not understand reduction to practice or over complicates things beyond recognition. I find this very interesting.