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I'm not sure what specific experience you have with college, but your generalized view about it is both horrible prejudiced and misinformed. You've presented (

by tsally 17y ago

I'm not sure what specific experience you have with college, but your generalized view about it is both horrible prejudiced and misinformed. You've presented (at best) five data points about why college is bad. I can give you millions of positive things that have come out of universities and colleges. Furthermore, you simply can't claim in any informed way that places like Swarthmore and Amherst don't provide diversity. The Little Ivies [1] are exemplary in that regard. That's exactly why the Swarthmore professor who made the comment teaches at Swarthmore. You may think that education at large research universities is bad. Many would agree with you. But you've generalized this feeling to cover all of college, which is quite an un-hacker like thing to do. You're demonstrating a narrow and unbalanced view yourself, a behavior that you criticize universities for. I make the simple claim that with personal initiative, almost anyone can find a beneficial college environment, whether that be at a research university or a small college. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ivies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ivies

bokonist 17y ago
I assure you, my views are not prejudiced at all. They are fully informed and postjudiced. My main experience with college is from attending an Ivy. But I do have close friends who have attended the little Ivies. I've visited and sat in on classes at several of the schools(including Swarthmore). My opinion of them is the same. What intellectual diversity there is comes from the students, not the professors. Also, I did not just present five data points. Each article I cited presents evidence that the entire field of study is off base. I am saying that the vast majority of the poetry, history, architecture, economics, sociology, political science, philosophy, and English that comes out of the modern universities is systematically biased and wrong. Sure there are a few good history books produced now and then. And some of the science and engineering departments are very sound. But by and large, humanities and social science education in American colleges is awful. Furthermore, you simply can't claim in any informed way that places like Swarthmore and Amherst don't provide diversity. I can claim that. Find me the syllabus of a class that you think provides intellectual diversity. I will show you how the syllabus leaves out books and/or articles that are absolutely essential for gaining an accurate view of the topic. I bet part of the problem is that you've never really read non-university sources, so you do not even know what you are missing.
- tsally 17y ago
  Almost half of your citations come from one source, and they're all essentially opinion articles. I'm willing to take your assertions on good faith, but honestly you've hardly given me any serious proof. Your view is exactly the type of view I have a problem with. You're making broad claims about how all the research in eight fields is garbage? You're not even remotely qualified to make such as assessment; few people actually are. Let's get serious for a second and examine your claim about English. One of America's greatest modern novelists (as demonstrated by the awards he's won) works at a university [1]. Further, actual literary criticism doesn't exist as an activity outside of university. All of our poets and novelists that we praise? College educated. Famous literary critics and commentators? College educated. One of the most famous American novels about diversity and racism? Written by a college professor [2]. One of the most revolutionary scholars on colonialism and African literature? A college professor at an American university [3]. And let's not even get into Native American literature, which is basically studied and read only at university. I've given you several university scholars that are doing cutting edge research in English on diversity, racism, technology, and other important issues. I've also given you an example of a type of literature that lives on only though the efforts of college professors. I could do the same for the other seven fields you claim are producing garbage. It's unfortunate how wrong you our about our university system. I'm sorry to be harsh, but your words are quite dangerous and need to be debunked. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Powers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Powers [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beloved_(novel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beloved_(novel) [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinua_Achebe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinua_Achebe
  - bokonist 17y ago
    Almost half of your citations come from one source, and they're all essentially opinion articles. Of course they are opinion articles. Saying the university is a pillar of civilization and promoter of the truth is an opinion. Saying the university is a schelertoric priesthood is an opinion. Nonetheless, one of these opinions more closely reflects reality. Yes, half the articles I cited come from one source. That author is particularly good at pulling together and linking to a wide variety of other sources, so I usually cite him as a one stop reference. Everything talked about in the sources I provided I have both seen myself and read about elsewhere. You're not even remotely qualified to make such as assessment; few people actually are. Perhaps I should get a PHD in University Criticism? The first university field I came to believe was intellecually bankrupt was political science. I interned in Congress, the State House, City Hall, and on political campaigns. I read books that people working in politics told me to read. Then I witnessed how political science was done in the university. To call the field divorced from reality is an understatement. Over time, I've come to similar conclusions about the other fields. For example, during the recent financial crisis, I've spent a lot of time reading up on economics and trying to understand how the system works. I read Keynes, Friedman, Rothbard, and Krugman, among others. I read blogs and articles by traders and bankers. I got in online debates with bankers, professors, and amateurs. Again, I've found that the economics they teach in the university is nonsense. Most of my classmates had thought the same thing when we took macro back in freshman year. But most people never spend the effort to figure out what good macro actually looks like. One of America's greatest modern novelists (as demonstrated by the awards he's won) works at a university 1) Awards won is not an objective measure of the greatness of a novelist. Most of these awards are based on social networks and status posturing. And that's not even counting the awards that are outright corrupt. You really should read this article: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/11/tryfon-tolides-almost-pure-empty-poetry.html http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/11/tryfon-... There is no objective way to determine how good a novel is. The only way for me to judge a book I haven't read is by the recommendations of people I respect. I have received a number of recommendations about tech books, many of which turned out to be excellent. But no one has ever recommended Powers to me. Now he may be great, but I would need more evidence than awards. 2) The Wikipedia page for Powers says: "He decided not to pursue a PhD in the field because of ... b) the apparent absence of pleasure in the reading and writing that graduate students and their professors do (see his novel Galatea 2.2)." That's a pretty damning statement! 3) But I'm beating around the bush. The most important point is that the presence of a few decent novelists residing in university English departments says nothing about the experience of the average student. Let's look at the faculty list for Swarthmore: http://www.swarthmore.edu/x10024.xml http://www.swarthmore.edu/x10024.xml Not a single member of the full-time faculty actually produces writing that people outside the university will voluntarily read for enjoyment or interest. Not a single one! The poetry and short stories will only be read in a small circle of mutually back scratching academics. The journal articles will only be read by journal referees and other academics who need to keep up with the literature in order to write their own articles. Think anyone will ever read, "Women, Nationalism, and the romantic Stage: Theatre and Politics in Britain, 1780-1800"? How about "a study of New Criticism's theory of history in relation to later twentieth-century forms of historical and cultural criticism and university pedagogical practices."? It is possible to write interesting essays on historical literature. But these professors are not doing it. I've tried to read these kinds of journals before. They are filled with tedious drivel. If you want to read how writing about art or literature should be done, subscribe to a good culture blog, like www.2blowhards.com or anything on his blog roll. PHD's do not produce interesting, relevant and engaging material, because it is not their job to do so. In fact, it is usually better for their career to write as obtusely as possible. Here is a story from a grad student in the classics: "And here's the other lesson - doctoral work is professional training...The most successful doctoral students in my experience are the ones that are thorough and careful and take on relatively unambitious projects which don't stretch the assumptions or structures of the discipline too much. They're the ones that finish their doctoral work and go on to useful teaching positions (and then may or may not start exploring more widely). It's definitely not the best and the brightest, the most imaginative thinkers or the people with the great ideas that get through. If they get through it's because they're thorough and they're careful and they're professional and treat it as it should be treated - as a job of work rather than a calling or an exploration." (source: http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2004/07/what_you_should_know_before_starting_a_doctorate/ http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2004/07/what_you_should_k... ) And while I'm on a roll, here is another first hand account: "But once I was inside, I found a department that prided itself not on its wealth of choices, but on its lockstep approach to the reading of "texts," by which they could mean anything from the Code of Hammorabi to a Taco Bell commercial (the latter was actually taught there while I was a student). Rather than search for the truth in the texts they taught us, we were told how to discover that there is no truth in everything we read. Rather than finding beauty in a John Donne sonnet, we were told how beauty is a bourgeois invention designed to keep the underclass, or the "other," down .... To put it simply: thanks to the concentrated study of literature, I nearly lost my love of books ... I wasn't alone in this, either. Informal discussions among my classmates showed a general weariness with the entire project. Many of us felt trapped by a system that insisted that we shed our bourgeois biases and childhood love of all that drew us to the department and embrace the radical politics that the study of literature, at least at the home of the Banana Slugs, had become."(source: http://www.declineandfall.net/2006_07_01_declineandfall_archive.html http://www.declineandfall.net/2006_07_01_declineandfall_arch... ) Further, actual literary criticism doesn't exist as an activity outside of university. People get together and talk about books outside of a university. Ever heard of a book club? But a book club doesn't cost $40k a year so obviously it cannot be as good. The internet has no shortage of fascinating blogs that criticize literature. But you are right, the peculiar activity known as "actual literary criticism" remains the special domain of university English departments. But why on earth should it exist at all? I agree with Paul Graham that the entire field was a silly mistake. It was simply trying to translate the idea of "research" from history and science to literature, which was absurd: http://www.paulgraham.com/essay.html http://www.paulgraham.com/essay.html All of our poets and novelists that we praise? College educated. Umm. Hemingway? Dickens? Jane Austin? It's not surprising that most modern authors are college educated. College is four years of subsidized fun. Plus, it is a legal requirement for many high paying credentialed professions. Thus most high IQ people go to college. But this does not prove that college should be subsidized, or that it is value-add. One of the most famous American novels about diversity and racism? Written by a college professor [2]. One of the most revolutionary scholars on colonialism and African literature? A college professor at an American university [3]. And let's not even get into Native American literature, which is basically studied and read only at university. Morrison is famous because her social networks connected with a lot of influential people, she wrote something they wanted to hear, and her books are now mandatory reading in every university in the country. I read one Morrison book, but I cannot remember anything from it. The people who I go to for book recommendations mostly say that Beloved was tedious. Also, this goes back to my point about intellectual diversity. If you really want to get a full picture of what life was like under slavery you need to read books like "Roll, Jordan, Roll: The World the Slaves Made" or "A South Side view of slavery" http://books.google.com/books?id=L1USAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=a+south+side+view+of+slavery http://books.google.com/books?id=L1USAAAAIAAJ&printsec=f... Needless to say, neither of these books is popular in the university. In fact, a professor would almost certainly get fired for teaching the latter book. I did enjoy Things fall apart. Note that Achebe wrote it and it became popular before he was a professor. Was there value-add on the part of the university? And again the point about intellectual diversity. If you actually want a "full and balanced" view of colonialism and post-colonialism, you need to read accounts like "Wanderings in West Africa" ( http://books.google.com/books?id=9a7tVFIa0VYC http://books.google.com/books?id=9a7tVFIa0VYC ) or Ian Smith's memoirs or watch Africa Adio ( in addition to reading Achebe). But students do not read this stuff. These books could be considered "dangerous" by some. Professors would probably get fired for teaching it. But I prefer the truth. Instead, students only get a partial view of reality. These students then graduate and go work for NGO's or the State Department, and then continue to make a mess of the entire continent because they do not understand it. The two forms of literature that are popular within university English departments are 1) Race opera and 2) contemporary literary fiction. I suppose race opera can be worthwhile the first one or two times you read it. But it gets pretty tiresome after that. By now I could probably write one. I'd have to ghost write it though, since I'm not of the proper minority group. Han Chinese, Tuetons, Franks, etc need not apply. Nor can you write it if you are a reactionary. Race opera must fit the narrow confines of the genre. The funniest thing about Race Opera is that is not actually indigenous to any of these ethnic cultures. It's completely the product of the university system itself. If you want to read something by a black person about race that is actually interesting, thought provoking, honest, and not written to impress anyone or win awards, here is one small example: http://therawness.com/why-black-american-chicks-like-thugs/comment-page-2/ http://therawness.com/why-black-american-chicks-like-thugs/c... Needless to say, nothing like this gets taught in the university. But if you actually want to understand racial issues, you are much better off reading TheRawness than Toni Morrison. And as for literary fiction in general, read these articles, including the comments: http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/2007/04/michael_blowhar_3.html http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/2007/04/michael_blowhar_3... http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/2007/01/the_nytbr_secti_1.html http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/2007/01/the_nytbr_secti_1... And let's not even get into Native American literature, which is basically studied and read only at university. Tony Hillerman doesn't count? When writing is good and worthwhile, people read it. It's the tedious, stereotypical, generic race opera that no one outside the university reads. And for good reason. I'm sorry to be harsh, but your words are quite dangerous and need to be debunked. The modern university plays essentially the same role in America as the Catholic Church played in 16th century France. It serves as the ideological arm of the state, and justifies state power. So yes, I agree, my views are very dangerous. But maybe one day you'll stop being a naive shill, and come join the rebellion ;-)

by tsally 17y ago

bokonist 17y ago

I assure you, my views are not prejudiced at all. They are fully informed and postjudiced. My main experience with college is from attending an Ivy. But I do have close friends who have attended the little Ivies. I've visited and sat in on classes at several of the schools(including Swarthmore). My opinion of them is the same. What intellectual diversity there is comes from the students, not the professors. Also, I did not just present five data points. Each article I cited presents evidence that the entire field of study is off base. I am saying that the vast majority of the poetry, history, architecture, economics, sociology, political science, philosophy, and English that comes out of the modern universities is systematically biased and wrong. Sure there are a few good history books produced now and then. And some of the science and engineering departments are very sound. But by and large, humanities and social science education in American colleges is awful. Furthermore, you simply can't claim in any informed way that places like Swarthmore and Amherst don't provide diversity. I can claim that. Find me the syllabus of a class that you think provides intellectual diversity. I will show you how the syllabus leaves out books and/or articles that are absolutely essential for gaining an accurate view of the topic. I bet part of the problem is that you've never really read non-university sources, so you do not even know what you are missing.

tsally 17y ago
Almost half of your citations come from one source, and they're all essentially opinion articles. I'm willing to take your assertions on good faith, but honestly you've hardly given me any serious proof. Your view is exactly the type of view I have a problem with. You're making broad claims about how all the research in eight fields is garbage? You're not even remotely qualified to make such as assessment; few people actually are. Let's get serious for a second and examine your claim about English. One of America's greatest modern novelists (as demonstrated by the awards he's won) works at a university [1]. Further, actual literary criticism doesn't exist as an activity outside of university. All of our poets and novelists that we praise? College educated. Famous literary critics and commentators? College educated. One of the most famous American novels about diversity and racism? Written by a college professor [2]. One of the most revolutionary scholars on colonialism and African literature? A college professor at an American university [3]. And let's not even get into Native American literature, which is basically studied and read only at university. I've given you several university scholars that are doing cutting edge research in English on diversity, racism, technology, and other important issues. I've also given you an example of a type of literature that lives on only though the efforts of college professors. I could do the same for the other seven fields you claim are producing garbage. It's unfortunate how wrong you our about our university system. I'm sorry to be harsh, but your words are quite dangerous and need to be debunked. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Powers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Powers [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beloved_(novel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beloved_(novel) [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinua_Achebe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinua_Achebe
- bokonist 17y ago
  Almost half of your citations come from one source, and they're all essentially opinion articles. Of course they are opinion articles. Saying the university is a pillar of civilization and promoter of the truth is an opinion. Saying the university is a schelertoric priesthood is an opinion. Nonetheless, one of these opinions more closely reflects reality. Yes, half the articles I cited come from one source. That author is particularly good at pulling together and linking to a wide variety of other sources, so I usually cite him as a one stop reference. Everything talked about in the sources I provided I have both seen myself and read about elsewhere. You're not even remotely qualified to make such as assessment; few people actually are. Perhaps I should get a PHD in University Criticism? The first university field I came to believe was intellecually bankrupt was political science. I interned in Congress, the State House, City Hall, and on political campaigns. I read books that people working in politics told me to read. Then I witnessed how political science was done in the university. To call the field divorced from reality is an understatement. Over time, I've come to similar conclusions about the other fields. For example, during the recent financial crisis, I've spent a lot of time reading up on economics and trying to understand how the system works. I read Keynes, Friedman, Rothbard, and Krugman, among others. I read blogs and articles by traders and bankers. I got in online debates with bankers, professors, and amateurs. Again, I've found that the economics they teach in the university is nonsense. Most of my classmates had thought the same thing when we took macro back in freshman year. But most people never spend the effort to figure out what good macro actually looks like. One of America's greatest modern novelists (as demonstrated by the awards he's won) works at a university 1) Awards won is not an objective measure of the greatness of a novelist. Most of these awards are based on social networks and status posturing. And that's not even counting the awards that are outright corrupt. You really should read this article: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/11/tryfon-tolides-almost-pure-empty-poetry.html http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/11/tryfon-... There is no objective way to determine how good a novel is. The only way for me to judge a book I haven't read is by the recommendations of people I respect. I have received a number of recommendations about tech books, many of which turned out to be excellent. But no one has ever recommended Powers to me. Now he may be great, but I would need more evidence than awards. 2) The Wikipedia page for Powers says: "He decided not to pursue a PhD in the field because of ... b) the apparent absence of pleasure in the reading and writing that graduate students and their professors do (see his novel Galatea 2.2)." That's a pretty damning statement! 3) But I'm beating around the bush. The most important point is that the presence of a few decent novelists residing in university English departments says nothing about the experience of the average student. Let's look at the faculty list for Swarthmore: http://www.swarthmore.edu/x10024.xml http://www.swarthmore.edu/x10024.xml Not a single member of the full-time faculty actually produces writing that people outside the university will voluntarily read for enjoyment or interest. Not a single one! The poetry and short stories will only be read in a small circle of mutually back scratching academics. The journal articles will only be read by journal referees and other academics who need to keep up with the literature in order to write their own articles. Think anyone will ever read, "Women, Nationalism, and the romantic Stage: Theatre and Politics in Britain, 1780-1800"? How about "a study of New Criticism's theory of history in relation to later twentieth-century forms of historical and cultural criticism and university pedagogical practices."? It is possible to write interesting essays on historical literature. But these professors are not doing it. I've tried to read these kinds of journals before. They are filled with tedious drivel. If you want to read how writing about art or literature should be done, subscribe to a good culture blog, like www.2blowhards.com or anything on his blog roll. PHD's do not produce interesting, relevant and engaging material, because it is not their job to do so. In fact, it is usually better for their career to write as obtusely as possible. Here is a story from a grad student in the classics: "And here's the other lesson - doctoral work is professional training...The most successful doctoral students in my experience are the ones that are thorough and careful and take on relatively unambitious projects which don't stretch the assumptions or structures of the discipline too much. They're the ones that finish their doctoral work and go on to useful teaching positions (and then may or may not start exploring more widely). It's definitely not the best and the brightest, the most imaginative thinkers or the people with the great ideas that get through. If they get through it's because they're thorough and they're careful and they're professional and treat it as it should be treated - as a job of work rather than a calling or an exploration." (source: http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2004/07/what_you_should_know_before_starting_a_doctorate/ http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2004/07/what_you_should_k... ) And while I'm on a roll, here is another first hand account: "But once I was inside, I found a department that prided itself not on its wealth of choices, but on its lockstep approach to the reading of "texts," by which they could mean anything from the Code of Hammorabi to a Taco Bell commercial (the latter was actually taught there while I was a student). Rather than search for the truth in the texts they taught us, we were told how to discover that there is no truth in everything we read. Rather than finding beauty in a John Donne sonnet, we were told how beauty is a bourgeois invention designed to keep the underclass, or the "other," down .... To put it simply: thanks to the concentrated study of literature, I nearly lost my love of books ... I wasn't alone in this, either. Informal discussions among my classmates showed a general weariness with the entire project. Many of us felt trapped by a system that insisted that we shed our bourgeois biases and childhood love of all that drew us to the department and embrace the radical politics that the study of literature, at least at the home of the Banana Slugs, had become."(source: http://www.declineandfall.net/2006_07_01_declineandfall_archive.html http://www.declineandfall.net/2006_07_01_declineandfall_arch... ) Further, actual literary criticism doesn't exist as an activity outside of university. People get together and talk about books outside of a university. Ever heard of a book club? But a book club doesn't cost $40k a year so obviously it cannot be as good. The internet has no shortage of fascinating blogs that criticize literature. But you are right, the peculiar activity known as "actual literary criticism" remains the special domain of university English departments. But why on earth should it exist at all? I agree with Paul Graham that the entire field was a silly mistake. It was simply trying to translate the idea of "research" from history and science to literature, which was absurd: http://www.paulgraham.com/essay.html http://www.paulgraham.com/essay.html All of our poets and novelists that we praise? College educated. Umm. Hemingway? Dickens? Jane Austin? It's not surprising that most modern authors are college educated. College is four years of subsidized fun. Plus, it is a legal requirement for many high paying credentialed professions. Thus most high IQ people go to college. But this does not prove that college should be subsidized, or that it is value-add. One of the most famous American novels about diversity and racism? Written by a college professor [2]. One of the most revolutionary scholars on colonialism and African literature? A college professor at an American university [3]. And let's not even get into Native American literature, which is basically studied and read only at university. Morrison is famous because her social networks connected with a lot of influential people, she wrote something they wanted to hear, and her books are now mandatory reading in every university in the country. I read one Morrison book, but I cannot remember anything from it. The people who I go to for book recommendations mostly say that Beloved was tedious. Also, this goes back to my point about intellectual diversity. If you really want to get a full picture of what life was like under slavery you need to read books like "Roll, Jordan, Roll: The World the Slaves Made" or "A South Side view of slavery" http://books.google.com/books?id=L1USAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=a+south+side+view+of+slavery http://books.google.com/books?id=L1USAAAAIAAJ&printsec=f... Needless to say, neither of these books is popular in the university. In fact, a professor would almost certainly get fired for teaching the latter book. I did enjoy Things fall apart. Note that Achebe wrote it and it became popular before he was a professor. Was there value-add on the part of the university? And again the point about intellectual diversity. If you actually want a "full and balanced" view of colonialism and post-colonialism, you need to read accounts like "Wanderings in West Africa" ( http://books.google.com/books?id=9a7tVFIa0VYC http://books.google.com/books?id=9a7tVFIa0VYC ) or Ian Smith's memoirs or watch Africa Adio ( in addition to reading Achebe). But students do not read this stuff. These books could be considered "dangerous" by some. Professors would probably get fired for teaching it. But I prefer the truth. Instead, students only get a partial view of reality. These students then graduate and go work for NGO's or the State Department, and then continue to make a mess of the entire continent because they do not understand it. The two forms of literature that are popular within university English departments are 1) Race opera and 2) contemporary literary fiction. I suppose race opera can be worthwhile the first one or two times you read it. But it gets pretty tiresome after that. By now I could probably write one. I'd have to ghost write it though, since I'm not of the proper minority group. Han Chinese, Tuetons, Franks, etc need not apply. Nor can you write it if you are a reactionary. Race opera must fit the narrow confines of the genre. The funniest thing about Race Opera is that is not actually indigenous to any of these ethnic cultures. It's completely the product of the university system itself. If you want to read something by a black person about race that is actually interesting, thought provoking, honest, and not written to impress anyone or win awards, here is one small example: http://therawness.com/why-black-american-chicks-like-thugs/comment-page-2/ http://therawness.com/why-black-american-chicks-like-thugs/c... Needless to say, nothing like this gets taught in the university. But if you actually want to understand racial issues, you are much better off reading TheRawness than Toni Morrison. And as for literary fiction in general, read these articles, including the comments: http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/2007/04/michael_blowhar_3.html http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/2007/04/michael_blowhar_3... http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/2007/01/the_nytbr_secti_1.html http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/2007/01/the_nytbr_secti_1... And let's not even get into Native American literature, which is basically studied and read only at university. Tony Hillerman doesn't count? When writing is good and worthwhile, people read it. It's the tedious, stereotypical, generic race opera that no one outside the university reads. And for good reason. I'm sorry to be harsh, but your words are quite dangerous and need to be debunked. The modern university plays essentially the same role in America as the Catholic Church played in 16th century France. It serves as the ideological arm of the state, and justifies state power. So yes, I agree, my views are very dangerous. But maybe one day you'll stop being a naive shill, and come join the rebellion ;-)