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Unrelated, but on the matter of Minecraft mods; I really wish we had a nice modding API that didn't involve haphazardly de-compiling the Java byte-code to make

by nness 13y ago

Unrelated, but on the matter of Minecraft mods; I really wish we had a nice modding API that didn't involve haphazardly de-compiling the Java byte-code to make changes.

workbench 13y ago
Yet another feature promised time and time again from notch but eventually ignored and forgotten because it required more than an afternoon of work.
nemof 13y ago
that STILL hasn't been introduced? I thought that had been promised literally years ago.
- anton_gogolev 13y ago
  John Siracusa had a epic rant on that exact topic on ATP #25 ( http://atp.fm/ http://atp.fm/ ). I myself was baffled to find out that modding involves unpacking a JAR file, overwriting .class files with modded ones and packing the whole thing back up. Disaster.
  - petemc_ 13y ago
    Why is this a disaster? My 10 year old son has been doing this for years without any problems. It has encouraged him to start poking around other game parts and learning lots in the process. Edit: There are also many easy to use front ends for adding mods and working with different minecraft versions etc.
    - smackfu 13y ago
      * Because you can only run one patch at a time. * Because your patches only work against one version of the game. * Because you are directly updating files, so both of the previous restrictions can easily be violated, which tends to cause a crash on startup. The front-ends work around this lunacy by keeping multiple clean copies of the entire install, at multiple version levels, so that each mod can trash it on its own or use the version it needs.
  - Filligree 13y ago
    That's not how modding works nowadays. See Forge, Bukkit and/or MCPC.
  - dsuth 13y ago
    Hell I'm baffled to find there's no server tools to automatically update a server (or even set it up to run autonomously). There's a bunch of hacked script files and screen... That's about it. Given The money they've made from this, it's a bit silly.
    - lelandbatey 13y ago
      You'd be surprised; that's how most games server software works actually. For example, running a Source Dedicated Server works in exactly the same way (as does pretty much everything else). After years of dealing with that I did in fact eventually write a Web app that wraps servers like that and makes them Internet accessible. You can check it out here:https://github.com/lelandbatey/veiled https://github.com/lelandbatey/veiled
      - Fuzzwah 13y ago
        I had the pleasure of being a full time game server admin for about 4 years, running servers for Australia's biggest ISP. I still have the mental scars of dealing with game server software. The company I worked for built a wonderful tool for managing the servers called gamecreate: http://www.gamecreate.com/ http://www.gamecreate.com/ There's no way I could have single handedly managed the 500+ game server instances with out something like that. As an aside, if you've never had to deal with any of the CoD series servers count yourself very lucky. I think it was still a requirement for CoD3 that the windows dedicated server required directx installed..... just so it could show the splash screen.
        lelandbatey 13y ago
        Wow, that's just... I have no words for that. I thought the recent SteamCMD not playing nice with TTY's was bad, but just... whoa man.
        dsuth 13y ago
        Wow, great answers! I'll check these out, thanks.
rlx0x 13y ago
However there is the community project forge, that gives you a nice API. Stop whining and make mods! ;) You just need to overcome the modding community that is 90% toddlers and assholes. http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/ http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/

by nness 13y ago

Unrelated, but on the matter of Minecraft mods; I really wish we had a nice modding API that didn't involve haphazardly de-compiling the Java byte-code to make changes.

workbench 13y ago

Yet another feature promised time and time again from notch but eventually ignored and forgotten because it required more than an afternoon of work.

nemof 13y ago

that STILL hasn't been introduced? I thought that had been promised literally years ago.

anton_gogolev 13y ago
John Siracusa had a epic rant on that exact topic on ATP #25 ( http://atp.fm/ http://atp.fm/ ). I myself was baffled to find out that modding involves unpacking a JAR file, overwriting .class files with modded ones and packing the whole thing back up. Disaster.
- petemc_ 13y ago
  Why is this a disaster? My 10 year old son has been doing this for years without any problems. It has encouraged him to start poking around other game parts and learning lots in the process. Edit: There are also many easy to use front ends for adding mods and working with different minecraft versions etc.
  - smackfu 13y ago
    * Because you can only run one patch at a time. * Because your patches only work against one version of the game. * Because you are directly updating files, so both of the previous restrictions can easily be violated, which tends to cause a crash on startup. The front-ends work around this lunacy by keeping multiple clean copies of the entire install, at multiple version levels, so that each mod can trash it on its own or use the version it needs.
- Filligree 13y ago
  That's not how modding works nowadays. See Forge, Bukkit and/or MCPC.
- dsuth 13y ago
  Hell I'm baffled to find there's no server tools to automatically update a server (or even set it up to run autonomously). There's a bunch of hacked script files and screen... That's about it. Given The money they've made from this, it's a bit silly.
  - lelandbatey 13y ago
    You'd be surprised; that's how most games server software works actually. For example, running a Source Dedicated Server works in exactly the same way (as does pretty much everything else). After years of dealing with that I did in fact eventually write a Web app that wraps servers like that and makes them Internet accessible. You can check it out here:https://github.com/lelandbatey/veiled https://github.com/lelandbatey/veiled
    - Fuzzwah 13y ago
      I had the pleasure of being a full time game server admin for about 4 years, running servers for Australia's biggest ISP. I still have the mental scars of dealing with game server software. The company I worked for built a wonderful tool for managing the servers called gamecreate: http://www.gamecreate.com/ http://www.gamecreate.com/ There's no way I could have single handedly managed the 500+ game server instances with out something like that. As an aside, if you've never had to deal with any of the CoD series servers count yourself very lucky. I think it was still a requirement for CoD3 that the windows dedicated server required directx installed..... just so it could show the splash screen.
      - lelandbatey 13y ago
        Wow, that's just... I have no words for that. I thought the recent SteamCMD not playing nice with TTY's was bad, but just... whoa man.
      - dsuth 13y ago
        Wow, great answers! I'll check these out, thanks.

rlx0x 13y ago

However there is the community project forge, that gives you a nice API. Stop whining and make mods! ;) You just need to overcome the modding community that is 90% toddlers and assholes. http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/ http://www.minecraftforge.net/forum/