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Incitement to racism is not protected speech. Wikipedia claims Mr Toben, who is not an accredited historian, was arrested once for defamation and another time

by pliny 13y ago

Incitement to racism is not protected speech. Wikipedia claims Mr Toben, who is not an accredited historian, was arrested once for defamation and another time for inciting racism.

nawitus 13y ago
>Incitement to racism is not protected speech. Holocaust denial is not racism. >Wikipedia claims Mr Toben, who is not an accredited historian, was arrested once for defamation Getting arrested for defamation might be a freedom of speech violation. >and another time for inciting racism. A state can define 'incitement for racism' as expressing one's opinion.
- pliny 13y ago
  >Holocaust denial is not racism. You are welcome to read, as an example, the very first article of Mr Toben's most recent newsletter [1] in which he makes the case that jews do not value the lives of gentiles and are involved in ethnic cleansing of whites in america. >Getting arrested for defamation might be a freedom of speech violation. I agree, but the operative word is 'might', it might also not be and that's why refusing to defend him does not call into question Amnesty's commitment to promoting free speech, but only their clear judgement. Defamation is not protected speech because it unjustly harms the person or people being defamed, and fabricating blood libel about holocaust victims would be very hard for amnesty to honestly justify. >A state can define 'incitement for racism' as expressing one's opinion. A state can, potentially, define anything as any other thing, so this is not a particularly convincing argument without a solid example. [1] http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/newsletters/Newsletter%20716.pdf http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/newsletters/Newsletter%2071...
  - MichaelSalib 13y ago
    Wow. Thank you for digging up that crap. I expected that a holocaust denier would be odious and vile, but I didn't think he'd actually write about Jews ethnically cleansing white people. That is...just wow.
- moocowduckquack 13y ago
  "Holocaust denial is not racism." Only because it is even fucking stupider. At least your average racist keeps their hatred basic enough to keep their bullshit somewhat consistent as long as you don't remind them of where their favourite foods are from. Holocaust deniers are like the chem-trails version of racists.
baddox 13y ago
It should be. People speaking doesn't remove other people's free wills or personal responsibility. If someone commits a ciolent act, they're responsible, not some other guy who publicly advocated the act. Note: organizing or funding violence is another matter altogether, but has nothing to do with free speech.

by pliny 13y ago

Incitement to racism is not protected speech. Wikipedia claims Mr Toben, who is not an accredited historian, was arrested once for defamation and another time for inciting racism.

nawitus 13y ago

>Incitement to racism is not protected speech. Holocaust denial is not racism. >Wikipedia claims Mr Toben, who is not an accredited historian, was arrested once for defamation Getting arrested for defamation might be a freedom of speech violation. >and another time for inciting racism. A state can define 'incitement for racism' as expressing one's opinion.

pliny 13y ago
>Holocaust denial is not racism. You are welcome to read, as an example, the very first article of Mr Toben's most recent newsletter [1] in which he makes the case that jews do not value the lives of gentiles and are involved in ethnic cleansing of whites in america. >Getting arrested for defamation might be a freedom of speech violation. I agree, but the operative word is 'might', it might also not be and that's why refusing to defend him does not call into question Amnesty's commitment to promoting free speech, but only their clear judgement. Defamation is not protected speech because it unjustly harms the person or people being defamed, and fabricating blood libel about holocaust victims would be very hard for amnesty to honestly justify. >A state can define 'incitement for racism' as expressing one's opinion. A state can, potentially, define anything as any other thing, so this is not a particularly convincing argument without a solid example. [1] http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/newsletters/Newsletter%20716.pdf http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/newsletters/Newsletter%2071...
- MichaelSalib 13y ago
  Wow. Thank you for digging up that crap. I expected that a holocaust denier would be odious and vile, but I didn't think he'd actually write about Jews ethnically cleansing white people. That is...just wow.
moocowduckquack 13y ago
"Holocaust denial is not racism." Only because it is even fucking stupider. At least your average racist keeps their hatred basic enough to keep their bullshit somewhat consistent as long as you don't remind them of where their favourite foods are from. Holocaust deniers are like the chem-trails version of racists.

baddox 13y ago

It should be. People speaking doesn't remove other people's free wills or personal responsibility. If someone commits a ciolent act, they're responsible, not some other guy who publicly advocated the act. Note: organizing or funding violence is another matter altogether, but has nothing to do with free speech.