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As much as it brightens my day to see a project I worked on (I'm actually the guy who filmed that video in the article) make it to HN's front page, it also make

by aroman 13y ago

As much as it brightens my day to see a project I worked on (I'm actually the guy who filmed that video in the article) make it to HN's front page, it also makes me sad a bit. It makes me sad because of the usual troupe of folks who complain that we don't have the right to go around calling ourselves an "OS", we don't bring anything original or innovative into the world, or that we are plainly just OS X clones. I was extremely active on the thread[0] posted to HN when Luna launched (which was at #1 for the better part of that evening), but I don't think I'm going to do that same level of in depth responding here. Instead, I'm simply going to leave you a link to the below article[0]. Please read my comment if you want to understand how we as elementary evaluate and understand our design process and the criticism which seems to come with it. Thanks for listening. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6193148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6193148

SkyMarshal 13y ago
I can't imagine that people making those silly comments have 1) RTFA, or 2) done anything remotely like what you guys are doing. You guys are doing some amazing things with the Linux desktop, don't let the peanut gallery get you down. PS - I fervently hate the word "exciting" and think it is by far the most overused and diluted word in contemporary US English these days, at least in the business and startup realm. Too many people seem to think that calling something "exciting" actually makes it so, and call everything they want investment or traction for "exciting". Almost none of it actually is. eOS is one of the few exceptions. The first project I've seen where reading your blog posts about it feels like reading folklore.org, and for a Linux fan at least, truly is exciting. So please keep doing what you're doing, ignore the negative nancies.
agumonkey 13y ago
I have yet to test it, but having seen the video, "haters" probably lack knowledge about desktops, user interface or simply history (how many desktop systems have been made that lacked the integration, speed and polish ?). Hoping you don't take it too hard and keep on experimenting and growing.
macco 13y ago
You should simply be proud, to have this endurance, to bring Luna to the masses. I don't agree on everything you did, but I really appreciate what you did. And you design consideration about how applications should interact with the users are ground breaking - at least a bit. Sending minimize to hell is a smart move. Kudos
rwl4 13y ago
Be proud. I have been showing Luna around and it has been met with nearly universal praise. One of my friends switched his Ubuntu desktop within 24 hours and won't stop going on about how amazed he is how everything just works, how clean it is, etc. I'd also Luna can absolutely be called an OS, using the current vernacular.
aespinoza 13y ago
I think the nature of innovation is to have heavy criticism. You guys are doing an amazing job. You have reached the level of design apple has, and now the only way is forward. I expect great things from you as a team. You guys have brought back the passion to linux and you have pulled me back to linux from Mac and Windows. You guys have an amazing product. Keep moving forward. Keep being hungry and bring that passion back to the open source community.
edwinnathaniel 13y ago
Don't be sad. Be proud of what you guys have accomplished so far. I've never spent a few days thinking about a Linux distro except for ElementaryOS: Luna. I spent 3 days including burning multiple CD of the 64-bit image (I don't know why but it seems to me that your 32-bit image works better) and finally got mine setup a few hours ago today. I've imported my pictures. Installed a few other software (VLC, Chrome) and even thinking of learning Vala! (got MonoDevelop with Vala plugin installed). It's very unusual of me to jump into an obscure language (mind you I do Java for work and I'm spoiled with the tools, the best practices, the mature 3rd-party libraries). Mind to share some tips of Vala development (project structures, IDE/editor, unit-testing, continuous-integration, etc)? PS: I might be the minority but I never like launchpad and secretly wish you guys move out of it. Their UI is very confusing and in most cases I can't even see a screenshot for some of the projects that link back to Launchpad.

by aroman 13y ago

SkyMarshal 13y ago

I can't imagine that people making those silly comments have 1) RTFA, or 2) done anything remotely like what you guys are doing. You guys are doing some amazing things with the Linux desktop, don't let the peanut gallery get you down. PS - I fervently hate the word "exciting" and think it is by far the most overused and diluted word in contemporary US English these days, at least in the business and startup realm. Too many people seem to think that calling something "exciting" actually makes it so, and call everything they want investment or traction for "exciting". Almost none of it actually is. eOS is one of the few exceptions. The first project I've seen where reading your blog posts about it feels like reading folklore.org, and for a Linux fan at least, truly is exciting. So please keep doing what you're doing, ignore the negative nancies.

agumonkey 13y ago

I have yet to test it, but having seen the video, "haters" probably lack knowledge about desktops, user interface or simply history (how many desktop systems have been made that lacked the integration, speed and polish ?). Hoping you don't take it too hard and keep on experimenting and growing.

macco 13y ago

You should simply be proud, to have this endurance, to bring Luna to the masses. I don't agree on everything you did, but I really appreciate what you did. And you design consideration about how applications should interact with the users are ground breaking - at least a bit. Sending minimize to hell is a smart move. Kudos

rwl4 13y ago

Be proud. I have been showing Luna around and it has been met with nearly universal praise. One of my friends switched his Ubuntu desktop within 24 hours and won't stop going on about how amazed he is how everything just works, how clean it is, etc. I'd also Luna can absolutely be called an OS, using the current vernacular.

aespinoza 13y ago

I think the nature of innovation is to have heavy criticism. You guys are doing an amazing job. You have reached the level of design apple has, and now the only way is forward. I expect great things from you as a team. You guys have brought back the passion to linux and you have pulled me back to linux from Mac and Windows. You guys have an amazing product. Keep moving forward. Keep being hungry and bring that passion back to the open source community.

edwinnathaniel 13y ago

Don't be sad. Be proud of what you guys have accomplished so far. I've never spent a few days thinking about a Linux distro except for ElementaryOS: Luna. I spent 3 days including burning multiple CD of the 64-bit image (I don't know why but it seems to me that your 32-bit image works better) and finally got mine setup a few hours ago today. I've imported my pictures. Installed a few other software (VLC, Chrome) and even thinking of learning Vala! (got MonoDevelop with Vala plugin installed). It's very unusual of me to jump into an obscure language (mind you I do Java for work and I'm spoiled with the tools, the best practices, the mature 3rd-party libraries). Mind to share some tips of Vala development (project structures, IDE/editor, unit-testing, continuous-integration, etc)? PS: I might be the minority but I never like launchpad and secretly wish you guys move out of it. Their UI is very confusing and in most cases I can't even see a screenshot for some of the projects that link back to Launchpad.