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Really. What has Apple ever done to make you think they value privacy more than say Nokia, Twitter, etc? Or, Aside from the fact that they don't do ad supported

Really. What has Apple ever done to make you think they value privacy more than say Nokia, Twitter, etc? Or, Aside from the fact that they don't do ad supported services, even Microsoft or Google? The only thing I see them doing is deploying a allegedly end to end encrypted messaging system that rather clearly isn't[0], and participating in "PRISM" while loudly asserting their system is secure. I'd actually say this puts them in a worse position than say Google or Microsoft, since neither of them ever claimed to provide end to end security and in the case of Skype admitted as much in their ToS. [0] http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2012/04/icloud-who-holds-key.html http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2012/04/icloud-who-h...

pazimzadeh 13y ago
Apple makes money by selling hardware and software, whereas Google and Twitter make money selling ads, which incentivizes them not to encrypt our data so that it can more easily be used to target users. Or at least that's what this post seems to imply: http://paranoia.dubfire.net/2011/11/two-honest-google-employees-our.html http://paranoia.dubfire.net/2011/11/two-honest-google-employ.... I'm not convinced that this story is necessarily reliable, but it's better than the reverse: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57577887-38/apples-imessage-encryption-trips-up-feds-surveillance/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57577887-38/apples-imessag.... And in Apple's statement on privacy: https://www.apple.com/apples-commitment-to-customer-privacy/ https://www.apple.com/apples-commitment-to-customer-privacy/. "For example, conversations which take place over iMessage and FaceTime are protected by end-to-end encryption so no one but the sender and receiver can see or read them. Apple cannot decrypt that data. Similarly, we do not store data related to customers’ location, Map searches or Siri requests in any identifiable form." As John Gruber says, "That last sentence separates Apple from many other companies." (http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/06/17/apple-privacy http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/06/17/apple-privacy)

pazimzadeh 13y ago

Apple makes money by selling hardware and software, whereas Google and Twitter make money selling ads, which incentivizes them not to encrypt our data so that it can more easily be used to target users. Or at least that's what this post seems to imply: http://paranoia.dubfire.net/2011/11/two-honest-google-employees-our.html http://paranoia.dubfire.net/2011/11/two-honest-google-employ.... I'm not convinced that this story is necessarily reliable, but it's better than the reverse: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57577887-38/apples-imessage-encryption-trips-up-feds-surveillance/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57577887-38/apples-imessag.... And in Apple's statement on privacy: https://www.apple.com/apples-commitment-to-customer-privacy/ https://www.apple.com/apples-commitment-to-customer-privacy/. "For example, conversations which take place over iMessage and FaceTime are protected by end-to-end encryption so no one but the sender and receiver can see or read them. Apple cannot decrypt that data. Similarly, we do not store data related to customers’ location, Map searches or Siri requests in any identifiable form." As John Gruber says, "That last sentence separates Apple from many other companies." (http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/06/17/apple-privacy http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/06/17/apple-privacy)