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A degree that provides the recipient with little foundation for income should not be underwritten with tax dollars. You want a teaching or nursing degree, I'm t
by vaadu 13y ago
A degree that provides the recipient with little foundation for income should not be underwritten with tax dollars. You want a teaching or nursing degree, I'm there. If you want a degree in puppetry, not happening.
- itsybitsycoder 13y agoIn many parts of the English-speaking world, there is such a glut of teachers that a teaching degree doesn't give you a much bigger shot at a career than a puppetry degree. And of course, this all depends on supply/demand, which can change significantly and unpredictably over the course of a new graduate's working life. So how exactly are you going to make this call?
- minikites 13y agohttp://press.princeton.edu/titles/9112.html http://press.princeton.edu/titles/9112.html > Historically, the humanities have been central to education because they have rightly been seen as essential for creating competent democratic citizens. But recently, Nussbaum argues, thinking about the aims of education has gone disturbingly awry both in the United States and abroad. Anxiously focused on national economic growth, we increasingly treat education as though its primary goal were to teach students to be economically productive rather than to think critically and become knowledgeable and empathetic citizens. This shortsighted focus on profitable skills has eroded our ability to criticize authority, reduced our sympathy with the marginalized and different, and damaged our competence to deal with complex global problems. And the loss of these basic capacities jeopardizes the health of democracies and the hope of a decent world. I know this is Hacker News and any non-STEM field is generally disrespected, but the liberal arts are quite important.
- WalterBright 13y agoI categorically reject the notion that STEM does not teach critical thinking. After all, STEM fields have a built in reality check for one's thoughts. If you design an airplane and it doesn't fly, you're forced to develop critical thinking skills so that doesn't happen again. Physical reality isn't going to bend to your thoughts.
- dllthomas 13y agoSTEM training alone might allow for more compartmentalization than an alternate curriculum.
- WalterBright 13y agoI don't understand your point. One of the most important things STEM provides one is the most important tool to determine truth from garbage - the scientific method. This is applicable far beyond just the physical world. Another thing I learned from STEM is the opposite of compartmentalization - I learned how fundamentally similar hydraulics, electronics, mechanics, etc., are. The rules, processes, math, methods of solving problems, are all transferrable between the disciplines. I took an economics course once, and was a bit puzzled by two pages of equations in the textbook until I realized that they were doing the equivalent of a simple derivative. The textbook was written under the assumption that economics majors didn't know calculus. I thought it was rather sad.
- dllthomas 13y agoMy point was that this possibility wasn't addressed. I don't make a claim either way[1], except that it's not so absurd a possibility that it deserves no attention. [1] This would likely involve a lot of pinning down just what STEM curricula and just what alternative curricula you are considering, unless you're able to establish there is no overlap in the distributions - a premise which I doubt.
- minikites 13y agoDoes it teach empathy, teach a way to see others as we see ourselves and imagine other people complexly?
- scottmagdalein 13y agoUsability design?
- austinz 13y ago
- driverdan 13y agoCollege is not and should not be job training. If you want job training go to a trade school, get an internship / coop or apprenticeship. College is about learning how to think.
- RougeFemme 13y agoHopefully, students arriving to college know how to think - though I realize that's somewhat rare, given the "teaching to the standardized test" mentality that so many students endured in school. And then college could help even more with learning how to think - and learn. But it's hard not to want some "job training" in there, especially given the amount of money being spent AND the fact that most of the graduates presumably need to start earning money almost as soon as they graduate.