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>This is all about selling people on a dream, in my opinion You have just described literally all marketing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engineering_of_C

>This is all about selling people on a dream, in my opinion You have just described literally all marketing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engineering_of_Consent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engineering_of_Consent It is no coincidence that the inventor of public relations was the nephew of Sigmund Freud. He wanted to call it simply "propaganda" but he decided that term's nazi connotations rendered it unsuitable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

zenbowman 13y ago
Great post, I highly recommend the documentary "The Century of the Self" which covers this in frightening detail. I'm not a religious person, but in my view religious communities are some of the few that have been able to see and understand the deleterious effects of this "field of study".
- Wicher 13y ago
  That is a good documentary indeed (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0432232/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0432232/). For me, it offered a better understanding of modern western civilization — of the interplay between politics, consumerism and spiritualism (without there being need for any conspiracies). Since watching it I regularly, on occasion, ask myself: Are my desires being channeled right now?
1qaz2wsx3edc 13y ago
All marketing, at it's root, is about satisfying the two human motivators: sex & death.
- JonnieCache 13y ago
  Don't forget fear of choking on your mother's penis or whatever it is. To really understand Freud I think you probably need a comparably boundless supply of 19th century viennese cocaine.
- normloman 13y ago
  I'm in marketing. You left a lot of motivators off of the list. Food. Money. Desire to fit in.
  - typicalrunt 13y ago
    Food. Money. Desire to fit in. I beg to differ. Those are all part of sex and death. Without food I will wither away until I die. Without tasty food I will feel like I'm in a living death. Money buys power (consumer power, or what have you) and with that grants you the possibility to expand your genetic profile, just like sex. And the desire to fit in is in the same realm as sex, because we want people to find us desirable so that we can potentially become a mate. I'm stretching and only using male-female desire here, but it's not a great leap to see how male-male desire (not sexual) is just a form of males wanting to become alpha- rather than beta-male to increase attractiveness.
hcarvalhoalves 13y ago
In latin languages, "marketing" and "propaganda" are used interchangeably.

zenbowman 13y ago

Great post, I highly recommend the documentary "The Century of the Self" which covers this in frightening detail. I'm not a religious person, but in my view religious communities are some of the few that have been able to see and understand the deleterious effects of this "field of study".

Wicher 13y ago
That is a good documentary indeed (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0432232/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0432232/). For me, it offered a better understanding of modern western civilization — of the interplay between politics, consumerism and spiritualism (without there being need for any conspiracies). Since watching it I regularly, on occasion, ask myself: Are my desires being channeled right now?

1qaz2wsx3edc 13y ago

All marketing, at it's root, is about satisfying the two human motivators: sex & death.

JonnieCache 13y ago
Don't forget fear of choking on your mother's penis or whatever it is. To really understand Freud I think you probably need a comparably boundless supply of 19th century viennese cocaine.
normloman 13y ago
I'm in marketing. You left a lot of motivators off of the list. Food. Money. Desire to fit in.
- typicalrunt 13y ago
  Food. Money. Desire to fit in. I beg to differ. Those are all part of sex and death. Without food I will wither away until I die. Without tasty food I will feel like I'm in a living death. Money buys power (consumer power, or what have you) and with that grants you the possibility to expand your genetic profile, just like sex. And the desire to fit in is in the same realm as sex, because we want people to find us desirable so that we can potentially become a mate. I'm stretching and only using male-female desire here, but it's not a great leap to see how male-male desire (not sexual) is just a form of males wanting to become alpha- rather than beta-male to increase attractiveness.

hcarvalhoalves 13y ago

In latin languages, "marketing" and "propaganda" are used interchangeably.