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caveman82, you really need to adjust your moral compass. In the event the other team doesn't get accepted and you do, that's when you should talk to people abou

by nickb 19y ago

caveman82, you really need to adjust your moral compass. In the event the other team doesn't get accepted and you do, that's when you should talk to people about joining. Not during the application process. The other guy, who wrote that blog post, is justified to be pissed off. You should have apologized and not posted this nonsense here.

nailer 19y ago
As another poster pointed out, the coder in question isn't owned by anyone. I don't see how it's more or less moral to make the offer before or after the application. The coder's relationship with his existing team, and that teams product, should be compelling enough for the coder to stick with them. If it isn't, then it's within his rights to move towards a better opportunity, and within someone else's rights to provide that opportunity. That said, I think this post should have consisted of a simple, polite statement of caveman82's case. Comments about 'The Accuser' running to his mother are immature and only hurt Caveman82's reputation.
gnaritas 19y ago
There's nothing wrong with his moral compass, and there's nothing wrong with offering a talented hacker work, no matter how you know him. The other guy was pissed because he doesn't seem to have any talent of his own and considers the hacker his, an obviously absurd position. This isn't high school, it's business, and if you're going to cry every time someone approaches your talent, you don't belong in business. If your hacker leaves you for another position, it's your fault, not the guy who hired him. Though responding publicly was a bad move.
- nickb 19y ago
  Nothing wrong with trying to destroy other team by stealing their members?! Oooooooooooooookay.
  - gnaritas 19y ago
    "destroy", "stealing", what world are you living in? You don't steal people, they leave or stay of their own free will. They're not trying to destroy you, they're trying to succeed for themselves, and making an offer to a talented hacker at any time is perfectly legit. To think otherwise is silly, the other team doesn't owe anyone anything. If I offer a hacker from another company 20% more $$ to come work for me and he takes it, that's called business, not "stealing and destroying". Besides, you can always match the offer.
    - Tichy 19y ago
      It's probably fair game to make an offer to anybody you like, but to expect friendly responses from their colleagues would be asking too much. Think about other men hitting on your girl-friend. It is certainly legal to do so, but you probably wouldn't welcome it too much yourself.
      - gnaritas 19y ago
        No one likes being out competed, that's a given, but no one should cry about it publicly like they were wronged, especially if they actually won by not losing their partner. More to the point, never act like you own another human being and are somehow wronged by someone making them an offer, the same would apply to a girlfriend. Fair game is exactly the right phrase, in business offering anyone more money or a better opportunity is always fair game, hell, that is the damn game. Want to keep your talent, then make sure you give them a fair deal and don't begrudge them a better deal than you can offer should it come along. It's unbelievably arrogant to continually refer to someone as my hacker in such a possessive manner, you may as well be saying my ignorant slave. That hacker is likely much smarter than you are, give him some respect and stop talking about him like property. No one is ever stolen in an adult relationship, only children think that, adults leave, there's a world of difference.

by nickb 19y ago

nailer 19y ago

As another poster pointed out, the coder in question isn't owned by anyone. I don't see how it's more or less moral to make the offer before or after the application. The coder's relationship with his existing team, and that teams product, should be compelling enough for the coder to stick with them. If it isn't, then it's within his rights to move towards a better opportunity, and within someone else's rights to provide that opportunity. That said, I think this post should have consisted of a simple, polite statement of caveman82's case. Comments about 'The Accuser' running to his mother are immature and only hurt Caveman82's reputation.

gnaritas 19y ago

There's nothing wrong with his moral compass, and there's nothing wrong with offering a talented hacker work, no matter how you know him. The other guy was pissed because he doesn't seem to have any talent of his own and considers the hacker his, an obviously absurd position. This isn't high school, it's business, and if you're going to cry every time someone approaches your talent, you don't belong in business. If your hacker leaves you for another position, it's your fault, not the guy who hired him. Though responding publicly was a bad move.

nickb 19y ago
Nothing wrong with trying to destroy other team by stealing their members?! Oooooooooooooookay.
- gnaritas 19y ago
  "destroy", "stealing", what world are you living in? You don't steal people, they leave or stay of their own free will. They're not trying to destroy you, they're trying to succeed for themselves, and making an offer to a talented hacker at any time is perfectly legit. To think otherwise is silly, the other team doesn't owe anyone anything. If I offer a hacker from another company 20% more $$ to come work for me and he takes it, that's called business, not "stealing and destroying". Besides, you can always match the offer.
  - Tichy 19y ago
    It's probably fair game to make an offer to anybody you like, but to expect friendly responses from their colleagues would be asking too much. Think about other men hitting on your girl-friend. It is certainly legal to do so, but you probably wouldn't welcome it too much yourself.
    - gnaritas 19y ago
      No one likes being out competed, that's a given, but no one should cry about it publicly like they were wronged, especially if they actually won by not losing their partner. More to the point, never act like you own another human being and are somehow wronged by someone making them an offer, the same would apply to a girlfriend. Fair game is exactly the right phrase, in business offering anyone more money or a better opportunity is always fair game, hell, that is the damn game. Want to keep your talent, then make sure you give them a fair deal and don't begrudge them a better deal than you can offer should it come along. It's unbelievably arrogant to continually refer to someone as my hacker in such a possessive manner, you may as well be saying my ignorant slave. That hacker is likely much smarter than you are, give him some respect and stop talking about him like property. No one is ever stolen in an adult relationship, only children think that, adults leave, there's a world of difference.