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I think you got the outcome ranking flipped. If Obama knew and lied: politicians tell lies and have done so for ever. If he didn't know, then the most powerful

I think you got the outcome ranking flipped. If Obama knew and lied: politicians tell lies and have done so for ever. If he didn't know, then the most powerful spy agency in the world was disobeying an elected official. Given the control they could exercise over officials via say black mail (just think what Anthony Wiener would have done to avoid those pic's coming out earlier or Petraeus to avoid his affair being known), this is really scary.

madaxe 13y ago
He was lying. Watched the press conference. The insane degree of hesitation and very-careful-word-picking he did are not the hallmarks of a man speaking sooth.
- nxn 13y ago
  Yeah, it really gets interesting if you compare his recent press conferences on the matter against what his speeches sounded like in 2007; here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix4sy25wF-E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix4sy25wF-E
- hackinthebochs 13y ago
  I watched the press conference too and that's how he always talks. You can't read much into that.
  - etherael 13y ago
    Reading this, I actually felt my brain snap a little and I laughed hysterically until I couldn't breathe for about five minutes straight. I think anyone just skipping over this bit here really needs to stop and consider more closely the magnitude of this completely true astute observation.
  - madaxe 13y ago
    Don't know if you saw your sibling's response, but it's not how he's always talked (slightly different to what you said, I know). I forget what it was he was responding to, but you could see him blundering headlong into nearly discussing a classified programme OTR, and changed the tack of his sentence after a good eight seconds of pause. I'll see if I can find the moment, but I just sat there astounded at the blatancy of it.
    - ethanhunt_ 13y ago
      Would be interested in seeing this if you can find it.

madaxe 13y ago

He was lying. Watched the press conference. The insane degree of hesitation and very-careful-word-picking he did are not the hallmarks of a man speaking sooth.

nxn 13y ago
Yeah, it really gets interesting if you compare his recent press conferences on the matter against what his speeches sounded like in 2007; here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix4sy25wF-E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix4sy25wF-E
hackinthebochs 13y ago
I watched the press conference too and that's how he always talks. You can't read much into that.
- etherael 13y ago
  Reading this, I actually felt my brain snap a little and I laughed hysterically until I couldn't breathe for about five minutes straight. I think anyone just skipping over this bit here really needs to stop and consider more closely the magnitude of this completely true astute observation.
- madaxe 13y ago
  Don't know if you saw your sibling's response, but it's not how he's always talked (slightly different to what you said, I know). I forget what it was he was responding to, but you could see him blundering headlong into nearly discussing a classified programme OTR, and changed the tack of his sentence after a good eight seconds of pause. I'll see if I can find the moment, but I just sat there astounded at the blatancy of it.
  - ethanhunt_ 13y ago
    Would be interested in seeing this if you can find it.