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Wrong. Overreaction. The DoJ plans to make the ruling available, but wants to redact it to remove classified information: https://www.eff.org/document/doj-st

by codex 13y ago

Wrong. Overreaction. The DoJ plans to make the ruling available, but wants to redact it to remove classified information: https://www.eff.org/document/doj-status-report-re-releasing-fisa-court-opinion https://www.eff.org/document/doj-status-report-re-releasing-... Don't let my facts interrupt your rant, though.

zeteo 13y ago
BS. The document you link to indicates quite clearly that they had no intention of making it anything less than "top secret" after it was found unconstitutional: >in response to the unauthorized disclosure of classified information, the government has declassified certain information concerning intelligence collection pursuant to Section 702 >[the government] further provides notice [...] that it has determined it will release to Plaintiff a redacted version of the [FISC] opinion previously withheld [but requests a delay] It's only because the EFF requested it (after Snowden's disclosures) and fought for it in court that the finding of unconstitutionality will now be made public. Or rather, whatever parts the government decides to let go of.
- codex 13y ago
  Yes, all of the FISA rulings are secret by default, but redacting a ruling to remove classified information is not the same as fighting a FOIA request.
  - drivebyacct2 13y ago
    That distinction would mean more if it didn't literally come on the heals of them explicitly trying to suppress the entire court decision.
  - aspensmonster 13y ago
    drivebyacct2 is hellbanned but I see no reason why this particular comment of his should be censored: >That distinction would mean more if it didn't literally come on the heals of them explicitly trying to suppress the entire court decision.
    - beedogs 13y ago
      Not sure why but it looks like this comment 45 days ago is what did it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5982741 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5982741 No idea why that merits a hellban if that's the reason why.
  - eliasmacpherson 13y ago
    Very curious about what the NSA were doing that was found unconstitutional by its own kangaroo court. It must've been pretty bad.
rlwolfcastle 13y ago
Or are they just waiting for everything in it to become classified?

by codex 13y ago

zeteo 13y ago

BS. The document you link to indicates quite clearly that they had no intention of making it anything less than "top secret" after it was found unconstitutional: >in response to the unauthorized disclosure of classified information, the government has declassified certain information concerning intelligence collection pursuant to Section 702 >[the government] further provides notice [...] that it has determined it will release to Plaintiff a redacted version of the [FISC] opinion previously withheld [but requests a delay] It's only because the EFF requested it (after Snowden's disclosures) and fought for it in court that the finding of unconstitutionality will now be made public. Or rather, whatever parts the government decides to let go of.

codex 13y ago
Yes, all of the FISA rulings are secret by default, but redacting a ruling to remove classified information is not the same as fighting a FOIA request.
- drivebyacct2 13y ago
  That distinction would mean more if it didn't literally come on the heals of them explicitly trying to suppress the entire court decision.
- aspensmonster 13y ago
  drivebyacct2 is hellbanned but I see no reason why this particular comment of his should be censored: >That distinction would mean more if it didn't literally come on the heals of them explicitly trying to suppress the entire court decision.
  - beedogs 13y ago
    Not sure why but it looks like this comment 45 days ago is what did it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5982741 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5982741 No idea why that merits a hellban if that's the reason why.
- eliasmacpherson 13y ago
  Very curious about what the NSA were doing that was found unconstitutional by its own kangaroo court. It must've been pretty bad.

rlwolfcastle 13y ago

Or are they just waiting for everything in it to become classified?