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I’m not sure which is more bitter, the original article or its response. If you’re going to disagree with someone, actually address the points he makes. Attacki

I’m not sure which is more bitter, the original article or its response. If you’re going to disagree with someone, actually address the points he makes. Attacking him personally is petty and isn’t conducive to real discussion. Peter's feelings aren't necessarily without merit--why not discuss them?

anu_gupta 13y ago
From Shih's post on Medium. "5. 49ers No, not the football team, they’re great. I’m referring to all the girls who are obviously 4's and behave like they are 9's. Just because San Francisco has the worst Female to Male ratio in the known universe doesn’t give you the right to be a bitch all the time" What kind of real discussion can there be about sexist douchebaggery such as this?
- endtwist 13y ago
  Again, I’m not agreeing with the sexist commentary (or necessarily any of it for that matter). The response is equally unproductive though.
- jessaustin 13y ago
  ...worst Female to Male ratio in the known universe... I guess he hasn't been to Alaska or North Dakota. Anyone having this experience in a major city needs to find new places to hang out. They do exist, but you might not see all your existing friends there.
  - jacques_chester 13y ago
    In all seriousness, one of the few things that makes me hesitant about moving to SF is that it would be the third such city I've lived in (after Darwin and Perth). The misogynistic language wasn't necessary. However, I believe that supply and demand applies roughly to dating markets. When one sex is in short supply, it is "bid up" by members of the other sex. While my strategy has been to improve my own value, there's only so far that can go. I can also improve my outcomes by avoiding buyer's markets.
- jpgvm 13y ago
  Calling a bunch of women who may very well be bitches doesn't really phase me, it's the tolerance of said bitchiness when sex appeal comes into account that I find disgusting. If you care about your values and standards for behavior they should apply globally, regardless of gender, race or physical appearance.
- omonra 13y ago
  Can a comment be sexist and true at the same time?
  - rhizome 13y ago
    Since sexism is a function of (shared) subjectivity, the comment could be believed, but it wouldn't acquire a degree of truth beyond that.
    - omonra 13y ago
      The OP said that 'there are a lot of women in SF who are rather plain looking but due to gender imbalance act as if they were extremely attractive'. To me that this statement can be true or false (I've never been to SF so have no idea). It either is or it's not true. Separately from that, one can argue 'It's sexist to grade women based on their looks and to likewise imply that attractive women can be expected to act differently than homely ones'.
      - rhizome 13y ago
        "Plain looking" can be true or false? By what standard? It's also an opinion that the way a person acts is due to demographics. tl;dr: neither true nor false, just a belief, a value judgement. Some people in this world would definitely say that it's not sexist to grade women on appearance, and in fact it is a value judgement held in positive regard in many parts of the world. That there is a class distinction that implies standards of behavior follows from this.
        omonra 13y ago
        Right - it's a value judgement, I agree. With which one can agree or disagree (ie find it true or false - not in a axiomatic sense that 2+2=4 true, but in a 'most people find it so' true). But the commenter who said 'it's sexist, nothing to discuss' avoids have to make that judgement. He prefers to just say 'I choose to label certain topics taboo (ie label sexist), hence avoid having to discuss them'
- sophopolis 13y ago
  The misogyny and bigotry are what really get to me here. Not only does he explicitly call SF women unattractive bitches, he makes a point to use the metaphor of PMS to describe the weather. Unnecessary, much? Of course, he goes on to describe the "transvestite to taxi ratio" as "literally off the charts." He also describes the Tenderloin as though the Bronx "took a shit all over Manhattan." Keep that shih-t out of Peter's backyard, folks, where it belongs. Peter Shih doesn't go to the Bronx. The Bronx is dirty. There are poor people there. Peter Shih is not poor. He is rich. He is clean. So he's too good for our women, our trannies, and our poor people? What kind of argument can you make against this other than "You are a disgustingly bad person?"
alanctgardner2 13y ago
I'm pretty sure Peter's feelings about women are entirely without merit. His feelings about public transit and the legally-mandated bar-closing hours, fine. But when he's actually just saying sexist, homophobic things and getting mad at homeless people for being homeless, that's not a real discussion.
rhizome 13y ago
Can anything productive result from a response? Should critics of his account for the entirety of the massive issues he decries? I mean, there's not much to say about the 49ers thing besides to infer that he's having trouble finding dates. What to say about his attitude toward the homeless that doesn't involve recounting the history of the government throwing the mentally ill out on the streets or in jail? OK, so that's about 5,000 words right there. The weather? Please.
sgoyal360 13y ago
I live in San Francisco. I don't really care if other people like it or not. If they bitch about why they don't like it, it's up to me to stop reading/engaging. Let it go people, and move on. Why do we care so much what one person thinks? And frankly, why is not okay for someone to disagree with the mainstream perspective? For the people who say he should move, I'm sure that if his work commitments allowed it, he would. But that's really not a solution. We can't kick out everyone who doesn't like it here. Stay classy, San Francisco.

anu_gupta 13y ago

From Shih's post on Medium. "5. 49ers No, not the football team, they’re great. I’m referring to all the girls who are obviously 4's and behave like they are 9's. Just because San Francisco has the worst Female to Male ratio in the known universe doesn’t give you the right to be a bitch all the time" What kind of real discussion can there be about sexist douchebaggery such as this?

endtwist 13y ago
Again, I’m not agreeing with the sexist commentary (or necessarily any of it for that matter). The response is equally unproductive though.
jessaustin 13y ago
...worst Female to Male ratio in the known universe... I guess he hasn't been to Alaska or North Dakota. Anyone having this experience in a major city needs to find new places to hang out. They do exist, but you might not see all your existing friends there.
- jacques_chester 13y ago
  In all seriousness, one of the few things that makes me hesitant about moving to SF is that it would be the third such city I've lived in (after Darwin and Perth). The misogynistic language wasn't necessary. However, I believe that supply and demand applies roughly to dating markets. When one sex is in short supply, it is "bid up" by members of the other sex. While my strategy has been to improve my own value, there's only so far that can go. I can also improve my outcomes by avoiding buyer's markets.
jpgvm 13y ago
Calling a bunch of women who may very well be bitches doesn't really phase me, it's the tolerance of said bitchiness when sex appeal comes into account that I find disgusting. If you care about your values and standards for behavior they should apply globally, regardless of gender, race or physical appearance.
omonra 13y ago
Can a comment be sexist and true at the same time?
- rhizome 13y ago
  Since sexism is a function of (shared) subjectivity, the comment could be believed, but it wouldn't acquire a degree of truth beyond that.
  - omonra 13y ago
    The OP said that 'there are a lot of women in SF who are rather plain looking but due to gender imbalance act as if they were extremely attractive'. To me that this statement can be true or false (I've never been to SF so have no idea). It either is or it's not true. Separately from that, one can argue 'It's sexist to grade women based on their looks and to likewise imply that attractive women can be expected to act differently than homely ones'.
    - rhizome 13y ago
      "Plain looking" can be true or false? By what standard? It's also an opinion that the way a person acts is due to demographics. tl;dr: neither true nor false, just a belief, a value judgement. Some people in this world would definitely say that it's not sexist to grade women on appearance, and in fact it is a value judgement held in positive regard in many parts of the world. That there is a class distinction that implies standards of behavior follows from this.
      - omonra 13y ago
        Right - it's a value judgement, I agree. With which one can agree or disagree (ie find it true or false - not in a axiomatic sense that 2+2=4 true, but in a 'most people find it so' true). But the commenter who said 'it's sexist, nothing to discuss' avoids have to make that judgement. He prefers to just say 'I choose to label certain topics taboo (ie label sexist), hence avoid having to discuss them'
sophopolis 13y ago
The misogyny and bigotry are what really get to me here. Not only does he explicitly call SF women unattractive bitches, he makes a point to use the metaphor of PMS to describe the weather. Unnecessary, much? Of course, he goes on to describe the "transvestite to taxi ratio" as "literally off the charts." He also describes the Tenderloin as though the Bronx "took a shit all over Manhattan." Keep that shih-t out of Peter's backyard, folks, where it belongs. Peter Shih doesn't go to the Bronx. The Bronx is dirty. There are poor people there. Peter Shih is not poor. He is rich. He is clean. So he's too good for our women, our trannies, and our poor people? What kind of argument can you make against this other than "You are a disgustingly bad person?"

alanctgardner2 13y ago

I'm pretty sure Peter's feelings about women are entirely without merit. His feelings about public transit and the legally-mandated bar-closing hours, fine. But when he's actually just saying sexist, homophobic things and getting mad at homeless people for being homeless, that's not a real discussion.

rhizome 13y ago

Can anything productive result from a response? Should critics of his account for the entirety of the massive issues he decries? I mean, there's not much to say about the 49ers thing besides to infer that he's having trouble finding dates. What to say about his attitude toward the homeless that doesn't involve recounting the history of the government throwing the mentally ill out on the streets or in jail? OK, so that's about 5,000 words right there. The weather? Please.

sgoyal360 13y ago

I live in San Francisco. I don't really care if other people like it or not. If they bitch about why they don't like it, it's up to me to stop reading/engaging. Let it go people, and move on. Why do we care so much what one person thinks? And frankly, why is not okay for someone to disagree with the mainstream perspective? For the people who say he should move, I'm sure that if his work commitments allowed it, he would. But that's really not a solution. We can't kick out everyone who doesn't like it here. Stay classy, San Francisco.