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Edit: Downvotes? Really? I write a thoughtful introspective comment based on my personal experience of being a design-trained single founder and you give me dow

Edit: Downvotes? Really? I write a thoughtful introspective comment based on my personal experience of being a design-trained single founder and you give me downvotes? Ugh

fleitz 13y ago
Fear not, truth is severely undervalued. If you want points tell feel good lies.
- ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
  It's useless advice. Designers can't be founders because they're pussies? Is this really what you think?
  - ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
    I still don't understand why ya'll are supporting the position of 'Designers are just art school-dropouts, too neurotic to be founders.". What sort of reasoning is that?
ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
You're projecting hardcore dude. 'The best designers are often frustrated artists that found comfort in design, where (perhaps subconsciously) they could use their talent without having the success or failure of their work fall 100% on them." Yeah right. Are you sure you went to design school? Is that what they taught you? That it's where all the failed artists go? Sometimes, I hate you a lot HN.
- rwhitman 13y ago
  Assuming that I made these observations by learning it in art school is "projecting hardcore" as well. The observations I make are based on an inner circle of friends and business associates I've had over the last 13 years who are predominantly made up of brilliant graphic designers. Not that it puts me in a position of absolute authority on the subject, but I think thats a fair rebuttal.
  - ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
    Honestly, you're armchair psychology-ing from your Cabal of Elite Designers, Lords of Silicon Valley, which is the WORST part of HN - apart from the subconscious need to upvote walls of text they haven't read, because well, whatever, it's long it must be smarter!) Your argument has absolutely no weight, and it offended me. "Yeah, the thing about designers is that they're failed artists and they're so neurotic. Always worried about what people think so they can't be good founders. That's for people like ME." Pffft. Whatever. Thanks for ruining my morning again HN.
    - dasil003 13y ago
      Well at least it comes from a place of actual experience vs your pithy responses. Honestly, feel of a failure is a thing (to use language that won't trigger your elite-o-meter). I don't necessarily agree that this defines the designer "type" but I applaud the self-awareness to consider something like this.
      - ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
        Everyone has fear of failure, that's just normal. My point is that designers are not just art school dropouts, and I certainlyI still don't understand why ya'll keep supporting that position as if had any merit.
        dasil003 13y ago
        That's an uncharitable way to phrase it though. The point is more like designers are wannabe Picassos who had bigger creative dreams for their work to be based solely on its own merit without any commercial context, but they ended up settling for a day job solving mundane business problems. It's no different from an engineer getting a safe job at an established company instead of taking the risk to found a company themselves. Only it's a lot riskier for the artist since there's a lot less money in the (working) art world than in the startup world.
        13y ago
melvinmt 13y ago
I didn't downvote your original post but complaining about downvotes = a downvote. Ugh. Get over it.
- rwhitman 13y ago
  Well to be fair I was in negative territory when I posted that
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pcunite 13y ago
>> Downvotes? Really? HN is getting to where you can't have an intellectual opposing view. We are being bullied (down voted) into sameness, borg-ness. Are geeks truly petrified of being in the same room with a different personality type? I've up voted you to take the sting away.
- rwhitman 13y ago
  Thanks. At least somebody understood the reason why I griped about downvotes

Edit: Downvotes? Really? I write a thoughtful introspective comment based on my personal experience of being a design-trained single founder and you give me downvotes? Ugh

fleitz 13y ago

Fear not, truth is severely undervalued. If you want points tell feel good lies.

ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
It's useless advice. Designers can't be founders because they're pussies? Is this really what you think?
- ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
  I still don't understand why ya'll are supporting the position of 'Designers are just art school-dropouts, too neurotic to be founders.". What sort of reasoning is that?

ulisesrmzroche 13y ago

You're projecting hardcore dude. 'The best designers are often frustrated artists that found comfort in design, where (perhaps subconsciously) they could use their talent without having the success or failure of their work fall 100% on them." Yeah right. Are you sure you went to design school? Is that what they taught you? That it's where all the failed artists go? Sometimes, I hate you a lot HN.

rwhitman 13y ago
Assuming that I made these observations by learning it in art school is "projecting hardcore" as well. The observations I make are based on an inner circle of friends and business associates I've had over the last 13 years who are predominantly made up of brilliant graphic designers. Not that it puts me in a position of absolute authority on the subject, but I think thats a fair rebuttal.
- ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
  Honestly, you're armchair psychology-ing from your Cabal of Elite Designers, Lords of Silicon Valley, which is the WORST part of HN - apart from the subconscious need to upvote walls of text they haven't read, because well, whatever, it's long it must be smarter!) Your argument has absolutely no weight, and it offended me. "Yeah, the thing about designers is that they're failed artists and they're so neurotic. Always worried about what people think so they can't be good founders. That's for people like ME." Pffft. Whatever. Thanks for ruining my morning again HN.
  - dasil003 13y ago
    Well at least it comes from a place of actual experience vs your pithy responses. Honestly, feel of a failure is a thing (to use language that won't trigger your elite-o-meter). I don't necessarily agree that this defines the designer "type" but I applaud the self-awareness to consider something like this.
    - ulisesrmzroche 13y ago
      Everyone has fear of failure, that's just normal. My point is that designers are not just art school dropouts, and I certainlyI still don't understand why ya'll keep supporting that position as if had any merit.
      - dasil003 13y ago
        That's an uncharitable way to phrase it though. The point is more like designers are wannabe Picassos who had bigger creative dreams for their work to be based solely on its own merit without any commercial context, but they ended up settling for a day job solving mundane business problems. It's no different from an engineer getting a safe job at an established company instead of taking the risk to found a company themselves. Only it's a lot riskier for the artist since there's a lot less money in the (working) art world than in the startup world.
        13y ago

melvinmt 13y ago

I didn't downvote your original post but complaining about downvotes = a downvote. Ugh. Get over it.

rwhitman 13y ago
Well to be fair I was in negative territory when I posted that
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pcunite 13y ago

>> Downvotes? Really? HN is getting to where you can't have an intellectual opposing view. We are being bullied (down voted) into sameness, borg-ness. Are geeks truly petrified of being in the same room with a different personality type? I've up voted you to take the sting away.

rwhitman 13y ago
Thanks. At least somebody understood the reason why I griped about downvotes