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First of all, I'm not disturbed by the app, I could care less what people (married or otherwise) do in their time. What I'm pointing out here is a failure in co

First of all, I'm not disturbed by the app, I could care less what people (married or otherwise) do in their time. What I'm pointing out here is a failure in conveying the purpose of this whole venture, you don't cater to people who are searching for quick hookups talking about long-term relationships. If they decided to put that in there I surely hope there's a reason beyond just throwing words at a website without thinking and I highly doubt it was to cater to the very narrow niche of open couples. Also if you think you can just shrug off media's accusation of moral corruption and whatnot with a smartass attitude you're very naive and you fail to account to a whole series of fiascos that have sunk many a business before.

SideburnsOfDoom 13y ago
> you don't cater to people who are searching for quick hookups talking about long-term relationships Yes, you can. But it's a niche, of people who are in open relationships.
- cliveowen 13y ago
  I think the problem here is that people are so eager to jump at someone’s throat that stop short of reading a whole comment. As I said I doubt they would cater to a niche so cramped as that of open couples, that would be suicidal business-wise. Maybe you’re all caught up with Californication or whatever it is that gets pushed on cable TV these days, that you fail to distinguish reality from fiction.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 13y ago
    "suicidal business-wise" is not the same thing as "fiction". It happens. I was talking to a female someone who feels that way a few days ago. Whether it happens enough to sustain a business strategy is another question, and not one that you or I really need to worry about.
jlgreco 13y ago
(I assume this is directed at me) > "What I'm pointing out here is a failure in conveying the purpose of this whole venture, you don't cater to people who are searching for quick hookups talking about long-term relationships" Sure you do. Particularly if you think that people in long-term relationships who are interested in quick hookups are an under-served market. Maybe you don't think that market is under-served, but frankly it doesn't matter much if you approve of them since you are clearly not in their target audience. Topical bingo seems like a weird thing to target but hey, am I going to tell patio11 that he's wrong? Of course not. > "Also if you think you can just shrug off media's accusation of moral corruption and whatnot with a smartass attitude you're very naive and you fail to account to a whole series of fiascos that have sunk many a business before." There are plenty of people who hate Grindr, and they do just fine. Hell, an even better example: Porn. There are countless people who disapprove loudly. It doesn't matter though, that industry does great. Sure, some countries ban porn, but do you really think that there is any danger that first-world countries will ban a service that facilitates consenting adults having sex? What is the worse case scenario here? CNN and my mother despise this company, while people like myself use it anyway? Broad societal approval is unnecessary in a free society.
fleitz 13y ago
It's copy designed to attract a certain demographic. They want to get away from the idea that it's a bunch of men who can't get laid looking for hookups on the internet, and instead create the idea that it's a bunch of men in loving committed relationships looking for a bit of fun on the side with the full consent of their partners. Media accusations of moral corruption couldn't be better for a business like that as it will make the demographic they are seeking aware of the site. About 50% of the populace has had more than one partner at a time, it's not a narrow demo.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  > "Media accusations of moral corruption couldn't be better for a business like that as it will make the demographic they are seeking aware of the site." In fact, I dare say that this company will likely be disappointed if they don't get the media huffy.
- cliveowen 13y ago
  I don't know where you get those statistics but I'm really skeptic about their veracity. Be that as it may, what I was pointing out is that (to me at least) it appears they're promoting cheating as an uplifting a liberating deed (and I don't see how that would help anyone, them in particular, see the old media shitstorm). If their not, then it's just a deficiency in clearly stating their mission, since I don't think I'll be the only one interpreting it that way.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    Old media shitstorm? Quick, somebody alert Hustler, their business is in peril!
    - cliveowen 13y ago
      Remeber when there were people opposing SOPA and newspapers (yes, old media) going batshit over the matter? I bet do you also remember how well GoDaddy managed the situation, I bet you remember how they said that their business wouldn't be affected by those few disgruntled users. I know that I remember how quickly they were to retract their support when people started actually migrating from their service. And we're talking of an old, well-established and profitable business. Imagine what bad PR would do to a budding startup.

SideburnsOfDoom 13y ago

> you don't cater to people who are searching for quick hookups talking about long-term relationships Yes, you can. But it's a niche, of people who are in open relationships.

cliveowen 13y ago
I think the problem here is that people are so eager to jump at someone’s throat that stop short of reading a whole comment. As I said I doubt they would cater to a niche so cramped as that of open couples, that would be suicidal business-wise. Maybe you’re all caught up with Californication or whatever it is that gets pushed on cable TV these days, that you fail to distinguish reality from fiction.
- SideburnsOfDoom 13y ago
  "suicidal business-wise" is not the same thing as "fiction". It happens. I was talking to a female someone who feels that way a few days ago. Whether it happens enough to sustain a business strategy is another question, and not one that you or I really need to worry about.

jlgreco 13y ago

(I assume this is directed at me) > "What I'm pointing out here is a failure in conveying the purpose of this whole venture, you don't cater to people who are searching for quick hookups talking about long-term relationships" Sure you do. Particularly if you think that people in long-term relationships who are interested in quick hookups are an under-served market. Maybe you don't think that market is under-served, but frankly it doesn't matter much if you approve of them since you are clearly not in their target audience. Topical bingo seems like a weird thing to target but hey, am I going to tell patio11 that he's wrong? Of course not. > "Also if you think you can just shrug off media's accusation of moral corruption and whatnot with a smartass attitude you're very naive and you fail to account to a whole series of fiascos that have sunk many a business before." There are plenty of people who hate Grindr, and they do just fine. Hell, an even better example: Porn. There are countless people who disapprove loudly. It doesn't matter though, that industry does great. Sure, some countries ban porn, but do you really think that there is any danger that first-world countries will ban a service that facilitates consenting adults having sex? What is the worse case scenario here? CNN and my mother despise this company, while people like myself use it anyway? Broad societal approval is unnecessary in a free society.

fleitz 13y ago

It's copy designed to attract a certain demographic. They want to get away from the idea that it's a bunch of men who can't get laid looking for hookups on the internet, and instead create the idea that it's a bunch of men in loving committed relationships looking for a bit of fun on the side with the full consent of their partners. Media accusations of moral corruption couldn't be better for a business like that as it will make the demographic they are seeking aware of the site. About 50% of the populace has had more than one partner at a time, it's not a narrow demo.

jlgreco 13y ago
> "Media accusations of moral corruption couldn't be better for a business like that as it will make the demographic they are seeking aware of the site." In fact, I dare say that this company will likely be disappointed if they don't get the media huffy.
cliveowen 13y ago
I don't know where you get those statistics but I'm really skeptic about their veracity. Be that as it may, what I was pointing out is that (to me at least) it appears they're promoting cheating as an uplifting a liberating deed (and I don't see how that would help anyone, them in particular, see the old media shitstorm). If their not, then it's just a deficiency in clearly stating their mission, since I don't think I'll be the only one interpreting it that way.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  Old media shitstorm? Quick, somebody alert Hustler, their business is in peril!
  - cliveowen 13y ago
    Remeber when there were people opposing SOPA and newspapers (yes, old media) going batshit over the matter? I bet do you also remember how well GoDaddy managed the situation, I bet you remember how they said that their business wouldn't be affected by those few disgruntled users. I know that I remember how quickly they were to retract their support when people started actually migrating from their service. And we're talking of an old, well-established and profitable business. Imagine what bad PR would do to a budding startup.