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>Electric cars more accessible to the average person. That's starting to be a pretty moot point given the Nissan Leaf.

by nawitus 13y ago

toomuchtodo 13y ago
Edit: Disagree. The Nissan Leaf is an atrocious electric vehicle, with the same baggage the GM EV1 had. 80 mile range. Barely. If you don't use the heat or AC. http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/how-does-gms-fabled-ev1-stack-up-against-the-current-crop-of-electrics/ http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/how-does-gms-fabled-ev1-st... Nissan has to continue to slash the price to move them, while people will pay top dollar for Tesla vehicles (and, I argue, will continue to do so, not only for the high end but also the lower priced models when they're announced/produced). Disclaimer: I'm super long TSLA
- ricardobeat 13y ago
  The Leaf is a superb vehicle in every aspect, except for range and price. Given a little time the tech will come close to Tesla's. They could license Tesla's battery technology, but I doubt Musk would help set up competition to the future Model E.
  - pc86 13y ago
    So, "this car is great except for getting places or being able to afford it?" You can't ignore arguably two of the most important aspects of a commercially available vehicle and say it's great besides those. This computer is great, except for the storage space and processor speed.
  - nawitus 13y ago
    >The Leaf is a superb vehicle in every aspect, except for range and price. It's the most affordable electric car out there. >Given a little time the tech will come close to Tesla's. What tech? >They could license Tesla's battery technology Why would they? My understanding is that there's nothing special about Tesla's battery technology. Leaf just has less batteries (in kg) in them, so the range is lower.
    - stcredzero 13y ago
      >The Leaf is a superb vehicle in every aspect, except for range and price. It's the most affordable electric car out there. In other words, they released 1 gen too early!
    - eps 13y ago
      > Why would they? To get an access to Tesla's charing network, for example.
    - ericd 13y ago
      There's a lot more to the Tesla battery management than a bunch of laptop batteries wired together. Cooling, wear leveling, charge management, LiOn combustion containment.
- RivieraKid 13y ago
  I hate comments that start with "No."
  - toomuchtodo 13y ago
    Edited to be more "polite".
    - deleted 13y ago
      [deleted]
    - RivieraKid 13y ago
      Thanks :)
- nawitus 13y ago
  >The Nissan Leaf is an atrocious electric vehicle The Leaf has been received well. Wikipedia: "The Leaf has received awards from multiple organizations. Notable awards include the inclusion by Time magazine as one of the 50 best inventions of 2009.[386] At the 2010 Washington Auto Show, the Leaf was given the 2010 Green Car Vision Award by the Green Car Journal (GCJ), who noted that the Leaf "will provide the features, the styling, and the driving experience that will meet the needs of a sophisticated and demanding market, while producing zero localized emissions and requiring no petroleum fuels."[387] Popular Mechanics, upon awarding the Leaf its 2010 Breakthrough Award, explained that the Nissan Leaf is "not the first pure EV, but [...] hits the mainstream like none of its predecessors." Popular Mechanics also alluded to the Leaf's 160 kilometres (100 mi) range, which is said to be "enough for most commuters for the price of an average vehicle – and with a much lower operating cost than gasoline-powered vehicles."[388] Other awards received by the Leaf include the 2011 European Car of the Year,[389] EV.com’s 2011 EV of the Year,[390] 2011 Eco-Friendly Car of the Year by Cars.com,[391] 2011 Green Fleet Electric Vehicle of the Year,[392] it was listed among the 2011 Greenest Vehicles of the Year by the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy,[393][394] also listed by Mother Earth News among its "Best Green Cars" of 2011,[395] and also was ranked first in Kelley Blue Book Top 10 Green Cars for 2011.[396] The Leaf won the 2011 World Car of the Year,[397] and was a finalist for the 2011 World Green Car.[398] Ward's Auto listed the Leaf's 80 kW electric motor in Ward's 10 Best Engines for 2011.[399] Until October 2011 the Leaf was ranked as the most efficient EPA certified vehicle for all fuels ever.[400][401] In December 2011 the Leaf was awarded with the 2011-2012 Car of the Year Japan at the Tokyo Motor Show.[402]" >Nissan has to continue to slash the price to move them, Nissan Leaf is the best selling electric car in history.
  - jcromartie 13y ago
    It's a great electric car, not a great car. Hence all of the awards are for being a "Green Car", and not general awards.
jetako 13y ago
I submit that a major, if not the primary reason for the Leaf's disappointing sales is its atrocious, shameful, ugly design. It honestly makes me wonder if Nissan wanted it to fail so they can say "we tried" and have a scapegoat for backing away from electric tech.
- nawitus 13y ago
  It's the best selling electric car.
wil421 13y ago
The Nissan Leaf still has that Hybrid/Electric car look and feel to it. The Tesla looks like a normal luxury car that I would like to own. I dislike how many Hybrid/Electric cars look different than the normal 4 door sedan.

>Electric cars more accessible to the average person. That's starting to be a pretty moot point given the Nissan Leaf.

by nawitus 13y ago

>Electric cars more accessible to the average person. That's starting to be a pretty moot point given the Nissan Leaf.

Edit: Disagree. The Nissan Leaf is an atrocious electric vehicle, with the same baggage the GM EV1 had. 80 mile range. Barely. If you don't use the heat or AC. http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/how-does-gms-fabled-ev1-stack-up-against-the-current-crop-of-electrics/ http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/how-does-gms-fabled-ev1-st... Nissan has to continue to slash the price to move them, while people will pay top dollar for Tesla vehicles (and, I argue, will continue to do so, not only for the high end but also the lower priced models when they're announced/produced). Disclaimer: I'm super long TSLA

ricardobeat 13y ago
The Leaf is a superb vehicle in every aspect, except for range and price. Given a little time the tech will come close to Tesla's. They could license Tesla's battery technology, but I doubt Musk would help set up competition to the future Model E.
- pc86 13y ago
  So, "this car is great except for getting places or being able to afford it?" You can't ignore arguably two of the most important aspects of a commercially available vehicle and say it's great besides those. This computer is great, except for the storage space and processor speed.
- nawitus 13y ago
  >The Leaf is a superb vehicle in every aspect, except for range and price. It's the most affordable electric car out there. >Given a little time the tech will come close to Tesla's. What tech? >They could license Tesla's battery technology Why would they? My understanding is that there's nothing special about Tesla's battery technology. Leaf just has less batteries (in kg) in them, so the range is lower.
  - stcredzero 13y ago
    >The Leaf is a superb vehicle in every aspect, except for range and price. It's the most affordable electric car out there. In other words, they released 1 gen too early!
  - eps 13y ago
    > Why would they? To get an access to Tesla's charing network, for example.
  - ericd 13y ago
    There's a lot more to the Tesla battery management than a bunch of laptop batteries wired together. Cooling, wear leveling, charge management, LiOn combustion containment.
RivieraKid 13y ago
I hate comments that start with "No."
- toomuchtodo 13y ago
  Edited to be more "polite".
  - deleted 13y ago
    [deleted]
  - RivieraKid 13y ago
    Thanks :)
nawitus 13y ago
>The Nissan Leaf is an atrocious electric vehicle The Leaf has been received well. Wikipedia: "The Leaf has received awards from multiple organizations. Notable awards include the inclusion by Time magazine as one of the 50 best inventions of 2009.[386] At the 2010 Washington Auto Show, the Leaf was given the 2010 Green Car Vision Award by the Green Car Journal (GCJ), who noted that the Leaf "will provide the features, the styling, and the driving experience that will meet the needs of a sophisticated and demanding market, while producing zero localized emissions and requiring no petroleum fuels."[387] Popular Mechanics, upon awarding the Leaf its 2010 Breakthrough Award, explained that the Nissan Leaf is "not the first pure EV, but [...] hits the mainstream like none of its predecessors." Popular Mechanics also alluded to the Leaf's 160 kilometres (100 mi) range, which is said to be "enough for most commuters for the price of an average vehicle – and with a much lower operating cost than gasoline-powered vehicles."[388] Other awards received by the Leaf include the 2011 European Car of the Year,[389] EV.com’s 2011 EV of the Year,[390] 2011 Eco-Friendly Car of the Year by Cars.com,[391] 2011 Green Fleet Electric Vehicle of the Year,[392] it was listed among the 2011 Greenest Vehicles of the Year by the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy,[393][394] also listed by Mother Earth News among its "Best Green Cars" of 2011,[395] and also was ranked first in Kelley Blue Book Top 10 Green Cars for 2011.[396] The Leaf won the 2011 World Car of the Year,[397] and was a finalist for the 2011 World Green Car.[398] Ward's Auto listed the Leaf's 80 kW electric motor in Ward's 10 Best Engines for 2011.[399] Until October 2011 the Leaf was ranked as the most efficient EPA certified vehicle for all fuels ever.[400][401] In December 2011 the Leaf was awarded with the 2011-2012 Car of the Year Japan at the Tokyo Motor Show.[402]" >Nissan has to continue to slash the price to move them, Nissan Leaf is the best selling electric car in history.
- jcromartie 13y ago
  It's a great electric car, not a great car. Hence all of the awards are for being a "Green Car", and not general awards.

jetako 13y ago

I submit that a major, if not the primary reason for the Leaf's disappointing sales is its atrocious, shameful, ugly design. It honestly makes me wonder if Nissan wanted it to fail so they can say "we tried" and have a scapegoat for backing away from electric tech.

nawitus 13y ago
It's the best selling electric car.

wil421 13y ago

The Nissan Leaf still has that Hybrid/Electric car look and feel to it. The Tesla looks like a normal luxury car that I would like to own. I dislike how many Hybrid/Electric cars look different than the normal 4 door sedan.