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No I'm sorry, but the attraction thing has nothing to do with biology. It has everything to do with gender roles. The role of pursuer is intricately tied to tra
by quinnchr 13y ago
No I'm sorry, but the attraction thing has nothing to do with biology. It has everything to do with gender roles. The role of pursuer is intricately tied to traditional views of masculinity. Our gender roles are set up so that men are the pursuers and women are the pursued. Why is it in already committed couples the man almost always asks the woman to marry him? As a man I do get approached by women sometimes, and I agree it is really nice sometimes. If you'd like to be around strong assertive women who are willing to pursue men they are interested in, I suggest hanging out around feminists. Feminists are all about challenging traditional gender roles, redefining the relationship between pursuer and pursued to create equitable relationships based on mutual pursuit.
I wasn't implying that all harassment leads to rape. I was explaining that we live in a culture where the traditional view of masculinity is tied to aggressive behavior, a society where the expectation is that if a woman dresses "sluttily" she's more likely to be raped. That is rape culture, the idea that men can't help but rape and that women are the one's responsible for stopping it.
I'm well aware the statistics are worse for men, It is an issue and it deserves to be talked about, and in fact it's often a part of feminist discussion: http://thefeministwire.com/2013/03/feminist-anxiety-about-domestic-violence-against-men/ http://thefeministwire.com/2013/03/feminist-anxiety-about-do...
But that has nothing to do with rape culture. Men aren't taught that they are going to be victims. Men are not taught not to drink too much at parties, they aren't taught not to go to parties by yourself, they aren't taught to never leave their drink unattended, etc... We teach all of these precautions to women, ignoring the fact that the vast majority of rapes are by people they already know. We've created a culture where men are seen as rapists who just can't help themselves, and that women should expect and fear rape. That is rape culture, and that is what feminism seeks to dismantle.
And no feminists don't consider all form of touching harassment, but they are pretty big on consent. I'm pretty sure if you ask first almost all forms of touching are ok, as long as the person consents.
It's not that women are forced at gunpoint to be homemakers, it's the societal expectation that the women should be the primary caregivers. Talk to some women and ask them if they ever feel pressured by family, friends, or our culture to accept the role of homemaker. Women very often feel pressured to have kids, it's a very real thing.
In couples with children where both parents work. Yes the man on average works more (about 5 hours more is the most recent stat I could find). But if you consider housework and childcare to be work (which feminists do, and I hope you do), women do significantly more work.
And yes I agree that being the primary worker being apart of our traditional view of masculinity is unfair to men. Again, feminism seeks to break out of those gender roles so that men can feel comfortable choosing to work less and devoting more time to traditionally feminine roles.
As for the sitting on benches thing, you'll find that on Tumblr, not in legitimate feminist discussion. And please don't say stuff like "Feminists hate kids" you just come across as hateful and ignorant by using such gross stereotypes.
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- Tichy 13y agoThanks for taking the time to answer. I disagree with almost everything you said - I think most feminist live in an imaginary world and have no idea of the real world. But I'll leave it at that. Perhaps the army of gender studies students that will emerge from universities soon will take it upon them to prove us right or wrong... If you want to continue the discussion by email I would of course be happy to do so. For a bit of fun, here is a recent experiment of men vs women asking for sex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbPfW38F_5s&feature=c4-overvi.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbPfW38F_5s&feature=c4-overvi.... There actually was a real experiment like that with similar results (I think it was done on Stanford Campus, too lazy to google). So men need to ask 100 times more people than women to get sex. Maybe if the first woman would say yes, there would be less "harassment" necessary. So if feminists make up their mind to have sex more often, it could help a lot to alleviate that problem...