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A pretty safe set of assumptions. Considering that Apple shops around for chips like all other smartphone manufacturers, and that phones like the BB Bold have h

A pretty safe set of assumptions. Considering that Apple shops around for chips like all other smartphone manufacturers, and that phones like the BB Bold have had 600+Mhz CPUs for quite a while, it'd be pretty silly to bet against that. And lord knows the iPhone needs a speed bump. That slick UI and effects comes at a price and its almost embarrassing when you want to write down someone's phone number, but you have to tell them to wait 3 seconds while the contacts app loads.

axod 17y ago
Personally, I think the speed is "good enough". If they can up that without compromizing battery life, then great. But if it's a choice between battery and cpu, I'd take battery every time. The most irritating thing is that with 3g enabled+GPS, the battery drains ridiculously quickly, and you have to enable/disable 3g yourself manually. Why can't it just do that itself? :/
- joeyo 17y ago
  Android with the Locale app does this (lets you toggle features as a function of battery state), but I've heard that Google is actually removing the API calls for toggling GPS in Cupcake (Android v1.5). I'm not entirely sure why this is supposed to be a good thing
  - jodrellblank 17y ago
    So apps can't spy on you, I hope.
  - thwarted 17y ago
    Supposedly, there was confusion about what exactly "turning off GPS" meant, because on the G1, you "enable" GPS, but it doesn't actually do anything unless an app queries for geolocation data -- it doesn't drain the battery just because GPS is enabled. So you'd disable it and wouldn't have to worry that there was some app running that would drain your battery because it is using GPS. But there is a UI problem, somewhat exposed with the Maps app, with when you have it disabled, the app detects that and tells you that you'll need to enable it. Except the wording isn't straightforward, and the app doesn't handle turning it on itself (which may be a good or bad thing, if you've got it disabled in the preferences). G1's GPS setting does need some work, but it's good that it's getting some attention now that location based apps are increasing in popularity.
    - joeyo 17y ago
      Thanks for the clarification. I suspect that my G1 has a bad GPS module because I find that when I have it disabled, I can get a somewhat accurate measurement of my current location via cell towers or whatever, however if I have it enabled, it can't figure out where I am at all (at least not within the amount of time that I am willing to wait for it-- 1 minute or so). So I leave it disabled pretty much all the time in an attempt to keep the battery life long. If it were up to me (and I must admit I have not looked at how the location API works), I would have location services return an imprecise value quickly (via cell towers or wifi or whatever) and refine it as the GPS came online. Sensor fusion is still an active research topic, but there are at least some simple heuristics that could be used if it was inefficient to make a full Bayesian inference.
      - thwarted 17y ago
        I seemed to have a similar problem a few months ago. I think there is also confusion as to the "location" settings -- there doesn't seem to be one setting that turns off all location querying ability, so you can have "use wireless networks" on, and "enable GPS satellites" off, and it still works, but the application calls it GPS (and the icon looks like a satellite). I think it cleared up for me when I turned on both location settings (use wireless networks and enable GPS satellites). I have not noticed a significant drain on the battery due to having both on, but I rarely use location based apps anyway.
  - nuclear_eclipse 17y ago
    It seems to still work correctly in 1.5 with Locale on my phone, but I honestly haven't paid too close attention to it. Perhaps they're planning this change for after 1.5?
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mlinsey 17y ago
The worst thing about it is that the interface lag problems seem to have gotten significantly worse since launch. I've even tried re-installing the firmware, backing up only my contacts, but it now seems common to wait sometimes as long as 7-10 seconds for an app to load, or up to experience up to around a five second lag in keyboard input, especially in search boxes in Safari and YouTube.

axod 17y ago

Personally, I think the speed is "good enough". If they can up that without compromizing battery life, then great. But if it's a choice between battery and cpu, I'd take battery every time. The most irritating thing is that with 3g enabled+GPS, the battery drains ridiculously quickly, and you have to enable/disable 3g yourself manually. Why can't it just do that itself? :/

joeyo 17y ago
Android with the Locale app does this (lets you toggle features as a function of battery state), but I've heard that Google is actually removing the API calls for toggling GPS in Cupcake (Android v1.5). I'm not entirely sure why this is supposed to be a good thing
- jodrellblank 17y ago
  So apps can't spy on you, I hope.
- thwarted 17y ago
  Supposedly, there was confusion about what exactly "turning off GPS" meant, because on the G1, you "enable" GPS, but it doesn't actually do anything unless an app queries for geolocation data -- it doesn't drain the battery just because GPS is enabled. So you'd disable it and wouldn't have to worry that there was some app running that would drain your battery because it is using GPS. But there is a UI problem, somewhat exposed with the Maps app, with when you have it disabled, the app detects that and tells you that you'll need to enable it. Except the wording isn't straightforward, and the app doesn't handle turning it on itself (which may be a good or bad thing, if you've got it disabled in the preferences). G1's GPS setting does need some work, but it's good that it's getting some attention now that location based apps are increasing in popularity.
  - joeyo 17y ago
    Thanks for the clarification. I suspect that my G1 has a bad GPS module because I find that when I have it disabled, I can get a somewhat accurate measurement of my current location via cell towers or whatever, however if I have it enabled, it can't figure out where I am at all (at least not within the amount of time that I am willing to wait for it-- 1 minute or so). So I leave it disabled pretty much all the time in an attempt to keep the battery life long. If it were up to me (and I must admit I have not looked at how the location API works), I would have location services return an imprecise value quickly (via cell towers or wifi or whatever) and refine it as the GPS came online. Sensor fusion is still an active research topic, but there are at least some simple heuristics that could be used if it was inefficient to make a full Bayesian inference.
    - thwarted 17y ago
      I seemed to have a similar problem a few months ago. I think there is also confusion as to the "location" settings -- there doesn't seem to be one setting that turns off all location querying ability, so you can have "use wireless networks" on, and "enable GPS satellites" off, and it still works, but the application calls it GPS (and the icon looks like a satellite). I think it cleared up for me when I turned on both location settings (use wireless networks and enable GPS satellites). I have not noticed a significant drain on the battery due to having both on, but I rarely use location based apps anyway.
- nuclear_eclipse 17y ago
  It seems to still work correctly in 1.5 with Locale on my phone, but I honestly haven't paid too close attention to it. Perhaps they're planning this change for after 1.5?

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mlinsey 17y ago

The worst thing about it is that the interface lag problems seem to have gotten significantly worse since launch. I've even tried re-installing the firmware, backing up only my contacts, but it now seems common to wait sometimes as long as 7-10 seconds for an app to load, or up to experience up to around a five second lag in keyboard input, especially in search boxes in Safari and YouTube.