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> Have more children, we have the childcare also seems like a stupid proposition. So you have the kids but no time to see them? 24h child care - great signal. S

by brazzy 13y ago

> Have more children, we have the childcare also seems like a stupid proposition. So you have the kids but no time to see them? 24h child care - great signal. So I can work round the clock for nothing? Bullshit. "24h" child care simply means that you don't have to choose your job to fit the opening hours of your child care provider. > I have a different proposal: pay employers for every child that a women employed with them has. So instead of being a liability, employers could earn money by encouraging their employees to have kids. And of course there's not chance that will be abused...

Tichy 13y ago
How - faking child births? If society wants more kids, it should pay up. The point about the childcare thing is: the solution is not providing parents to get rid of their kids so that they can work. The proper solution would be to enable parents to work less and still have time for their kids. You think catering to parents with flexible work schedules will have a significant impact on birth rates? How many people does that concern anyway?
- VMG 13y ago
  > If society wants more kids, it should pay up. This can only work if those who pay also get the benefits. Then the employer paying the support must get a cut of the adult child's income.
  - Tichy 13y ago
    My suggestion is employers should receive money, not pay money.
- brazzy 13y ago
  > How - faking child births? No - by faking employment to get the subsidy for mothers who don't want to (or cannot) work. And of course you'd have unintend consequences for wage levels. > The point about the childcare thing is: the solution is not providing parents to get rid of their kids so that they can work. The proper solution would be to enable parents to work less and still have time for their kids. How do you see those as two contradicting (or even different) things? Even if you "work less" you need someone totake care of your kid while you work. > You think catering to parents with flexible work schedules will have a significant impact on birth rates? How many people does that concern anyway? Many more than you think, apparently. Sweden's fertility rate is much better than Germany's (1.94) and they're the inventors of 24h child care.
- toomuchtodo 13y ago
  The problem is, there are no good incentives to pay for you to have an 18+ year responsibility. Pay to give birth? Wow, what a couple hundred bucks? Maybe a $1000? Pay directly for services that children would use? The problem is, there is no good way to subsidize being a good, responsible parent. You have to want to be. And more people are simply opting not to have children. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2148636,00.html http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2148636,00....
  - Tichy 13y ago
    "The problem is, there are no good incentives to pay for you to have an 18+ year responsibility." If you think like that, don't have kids. I think people should have kids because they like having them around. If we go extinct because people don't like kids anymore, so be it. It would just be a shame if we went extinct because people can't afford children anymore. But I didn't mean pay parents, I meant pay employers. Also Germany already pays up to 20000€ for kids, if I remember correctly (they pay a percentage of the mothers salary in her last job for 12 months).

by brazzy 13y ago

Tichy 13y ago

How - faking child births? If society wants more kids, it should pay up. The point about the childcare thing is: the solution is not providing parents to get rid of their kids so that they can work. The proper solution would be to enable parents to work less and still have time for their kids. You think catering to parents with flexible work schedules will have a significant impact on birth rates? How many people does that concern anyway?

VMG 13y ago
> If society wants more kids, it should pay up. This can only work if those who pay also get the benefits. Then the employer paying the support must get a cut of the adult child's income.
- Tichy 13y ago
  My suggestion is employers should receive money, not pay money.
brazzy 13y ago
> How - faking child births? No - by faking employment to get the subsidy for mothers who don't want to (or cannot) work. And of course you'd have unintend consequences for wage levels. > The point about the childcare thing is: the solution is not providing parents to get rid of their kids so that they can work. The proper solution would be to enable parents to work less and still have time for their kids. How do you see those as two contradicting (or even different) things? Even if you "work less" you need someone totake care of your kid while you work. > You think catering to parents with flexible work schedules will have a significant impact on birth rates? How many people does that concern anyway? Many more than you think, apparently. Sweden's fertility rate is much better than Germany's (1.94) and they're the inventors of 24h child care.
toomuchtodo 13y ago
The problem is, there are no good incentives to pay for you to have an 18+ year responsibility. Pay to give birth? Wow, what a couple hundred bucks? Maybe a $1000? Pay directly for services that children would use? The problem is, there is no good way to subsidize being a good, responsible parent. You have to want to be. And more people are simply opting not to have children. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2148636,00.html http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2148636,00....
- Tichy 13y ago
  "The problem is, there are no good incentives to pay for you to have an 18+ year responsibility." If you think like that, don't have kids. I think people should have kids because they like having them around. If we go extinct because people don't like kids anymore, so be it. It would just be a shame if we went extinct because people can't afford children anymore. But I didn't mean pay parents, I meant pay employers. Also Germany already pays up to 20000€ for kids, if I remember correctly (they pay a percentage of the mothers salary in her last job for 12 months).