I did mean the tribal sense, yes. It's more likely that someone talking about free software is a proponent of copyleft, and someone talking about open source s

I did mean the tribal sense, yes. It's more likely that someone talking about free software is a proponent of copyleft, and someone talking about open source software is a proponent of permissive licensing. Then again, there is open source code out there that is not free (in the RMS / FSF "four freedoms" sense) due to patents, tivoization, and the absence of a requirement that end users get access to modifications, e.g. you can run a website with open source software but I'm not guaranteed access to your changes.