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> My point is although there is no question you are subject to the actions you (and others describe) but it also could be the case that it happens for other rea

by clicks 13y ago

> My point is although there is no question you are subject to the actions you (and others describe) but it also could be the case that it happens for other reasons that have nothing to do with skin color. I think that is a bit of a stretch. There is concrete evidence that explains this happens a lot, and it's clear that racism [1] and sexism [2] are a key part of it. And -- not as scientific here -- but there's intuition I have gathered that's backed up with 10 years of extensive dining out in various arrangements and settings, and anecdotes from my server friends about the politics in restaurants. [1] http://tippingresearch.com/uploads/Business_Considerations_Tipping_final.pdf http://tippingresearch.com/uploads/Business_Considerations_T... [2] http://tippingresearch.com/uploads/ServerAppearance1-3-08.pdf http://tippingresearch.com/uploads/ServerAppearance1-3-08.pd...

larrys 13y ago
I wasn't questioning that it happens I said "there is no question you are subject to the actions you (and others describe)" I was saying that there are times that it happens that have nothing to do with skin color and would happen (maybe the waiter is having a bad day who knows) to anyone. Like the man in the car next to me (assuming he is not gay) if I was a hot girl I would automatically assume it's because I'm a hot girl. Of course this is not the same as saying that men don't look at a girl in the car next to them!
- clicks 13y ago
  I'm sorry I guess maybe I still don't understand where you're coming from? Of course there would be false positives -- are you perhaps informing me of some possibilities with which I could rationalize why I was the recipient of poor service? Of course that's a possibility -- servers have bad days, sure, but these isolated incidents don't negate the need to solve the bigger problems of wage disparity in restaurants (cooks being paid half what servers earn -- close to minimum wage in some instances, no matter that they went through culinary school and incurred huge debt), the problems of racism and sexism, etc. I feel non-tipping is the easy and obvious solution here.

by clicks 13y ago

larrys 13y ago

I wasn't questioning that it happens I said "there is no question you are subject to the actions you (and others describe)" I was saying that there are times that it happens that have nothing to do with skin color and would happen (maybe the waiter is having a bad day who knows) to anyone. Like the man in the car next to me (assuming he is not gay) if I was a hot girl I would automatically assume it's because I'm a hot girl. Of course this is not the same as saying that men don't look at a girl in the car next to them!

clicks 13y ago
I'm sorry I guess maybe I still don't understand where you're coming from? Of course there would be false positives -- are you perhaps informing me of some possibilities with which I could rationalize why I was the recipient of poor service? Of course that's a possibility -- servers have bad days, sure, but these isolated incidents don't negate the need to solve the bigger problems of wage disparity in restaurants (cooks being paid half what servers earn -- close to minimum wage in some instances, no matter that they went through culinary school and incurred huge debt), the problems of racism and sexism, etc. I feel non-tipping is the easy and obvious solution here.