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"Do people at Microsoft ever talk to anyone outside their own groups?" From friends of mine who have worked at / are working at Microsoft, sadly this is a fair

"Do people at Microsoft ever talk to anyone outside their own groups?" From friends of mine who have worked at / are working at Microsoft, sadly this is a fairly common question, and the answer is "no" more often than you'd hope. Hopefully the new re-org helps them, because they desperately need to be rowing in sync.

yuhong 13y ago
Some examples: http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/VC11-Firefox-Metro-Win8-SDK-and-XP http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/VC11-Firefox-Met... http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1209093 http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1209093
- freehunter 13y ago
  In that first example, I kind of agree with some of the guys there. Why would VC++2012 need to officially support an officially unsupported OS? VC++2012 was released more than a decade after Windows XP was released. Windows XP support ended in 2009, extended (security) support only goes through early 2014. Ubuntu LTS only goes for 2 years, Windows XP "LTS" goes through 14 years. Unless I'm missing something, Microsoft really has no reason to care if you want to target Windows XP. Their official response should be (and is) to upgrade to a supported release. Windows 7 was released almost 4 years ago and is supported until 2015/2020. How long can you complain that an ancient OS is no longer supported before you accept that fact?
  - yuhong 13y ago
    Well, they cared enough that they added support for XP in an update to VC2012. I was talking about how they added it.
  - IbJacked 13y ago
    I agree with your points, but Ubuntu LTS releases are actually supported for 5 years, not 2 (with new LTS releases coming every two years).
    - freehunter 13y ago
      Good catch, thanks.
gutnor 13y ago
Well, to be fair in many large organisations, most people are not even interested enough in their own job to talk about it with their colleague. Hell nowadays, I'm happy when people in the same team talk to each others, normally without band-aids: daily standup, weekly status, monthly get together, ...

yuhong 13y ago

Some examples: http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/VC11-Firefox-Metro-Win8-SDK-and-XP http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/VC11-Firefox-Met... http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1209093 http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1209093

freehunter 13y ago
In that first example, I kind of agree with some of the guys there. Why would VC++2012 need to officially support an officially unsupported OS? VC++2012 was released more than a decade after Windows XP was released. Windows XP support ended in 2009, extended (security) support only goes through early 2014. Ubuntu LTS only goes for 2 years, Windows XP "LTS" goes through 14 years. Unless I'm missing something, Microsoft really has no reason to care if you want to target Windows XP. Their official response should be (and is) to upgrade to a supported release. Windows 7 was released almost 4 years ago and is supported until 2015/2020. How long can you complain that an ancient OS is no longer supported before you accept that fact?
- yuhong 13y ago
  Well, they cared enough that they added support for XP in an update to VC2012. I was talking about how they added it.
- IbJacked 13y ago
  I agree with your points, but Ubuntu LTS releases are actually supported for 5 years, not 2 (with new LTS releases coming every two years).
  - freehunter 13y ago
    Good catch, thanks.

gutnor 13y ago

Well, to be fair in many large organisations, most people are not even interested enough in their own job to talk about it with their colleague. Hell nowadays, I'm happy when people in the same team talk to each others, normally without band-aids: daily standup, weekly status, monthly get together, ...