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Comcast should not be maintaining a QOS stack. Period. That is a violation of net neutrality.

jmillikin 13y ago
You are using a definition of net neutrality that differs from everyone else's. In the interest of conversational clarity, you ought to pick a different term. All residential ISPs sell more aggregate consumer capacity than total peering capacity, because very few users require the full use of their connection at all times. This permits their users' bills to be much lower, a tradeoff that is obviously beneficial to almost everyone. Overprovisioning absolutely requires the use of QOS and throttling. If my neighbor decides to torrent a hundred terabytes of ATLAS data, that should (ideally) not cause any of my DNS or RTP packets to be dropped.
- diminoten 13y ago
  "Net neutrality (also network neutrality or Internet neutrality) is the principle that Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication."[0] [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality ISPs should stop overprovisioning if it prevents them from being neutral to my packets.
- qu4z-2 13y ago
  He's using the same definition of "net neutrality" I was using... What do you mean by it?
  - jmillikin 13y ago
    My understanding is that net neutrality is when the ISP does not prioritize/throttle/block traffic based on sender or recipient. This definition permits traffic shaping based on content, such as dropping bittorrent packets to preserve dns/rtp latency on a link shared between customers.
    - diminoten 13y ago
      Net neutrality isn't simply about sender/recipient, it's also about type of packet. Mandated QoS is a direct violation of net neutrality.
    - qu4z-2 13y ago
      Interesting, thanks

You are using a definition of net neutrality that differs from everyone else's. In the interest of conversational clarity, you ought to pick a different term. All residential ISPs sell more aggregate consumer capacity than total peering capacity, because very few users require the full use of their connection at all times. This permits their users' bills to be much lower, a tradeoff that is obviously beneficial to almost everyone. Overprovisioning absolutely requires the use of QOS and throttling. If my neighbor decides to torrent a hundred terabytes of ATLAS data, that should (ideally) not cause any of my DNS or RTP packets to be dropped.

diminoten 13y ago
"Net neutrality (also network neutrality or Internet neutrality) is the principle that Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication."[0] [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality ISPs should stop overprovisioning if it prevents them from being neutral to my packets.
qu4z-2 13y ago
He's using the same definition of "net neutrality" I was using... What do you mean by it?
- jmillikin 13y ago
  My understanding is that net neutrality is when the ISP does not prioritize/throttle/block traffic based on sender or recipient. This definition permits traffic shaping based on content, such as dropping bittorrent packets to preserve dns/rtp latency on a link shared between customers.
  - diminoten 13y ago
    Net neutrality isn't simply about sender/recipient, it's also about type of packet. Mandated QoS is a direct violation of net neutrality.
  - qu4z-2 13y ago
    Interesting, thanks