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Is spiking of drinks really that common? I've only ever seen GHB or Ketamine used recreationally. I've never heard anyone say they'd been intentionally and m

Is spiking of drinks really that common? I've only ever seen GHB or Ketamine used recreationally. I've never heard anyone say they'd been intentionally and maliciously dosed, although I've seen people ingest by accident.

true_religion 13y ago
> Is spiking of drinks really that common? No, I doubt that it is because rape is relatively uncommon.
ntkachov 13y ago
Does it matter if its common? If its something we can prevent, why not?
- DanBC 13y ago
  Focussing attention on something scary but rare leads people into danger when they ignore the much more common risk. We know that people make mistakes when drunk, and we know that some people use alcohol as a rape-drug. In England it's much more common for people to make bad choices about sex when they're drunk than for a predator to deliberately spike a drink with a drug. Having a shot glass with whiskey in it and the label "safe" is just weird.
  - mdisraeli 13y ago
    Indeed. Most common thing to spike drinks with? More alcohol.
- Casseres 13y ago
  You can prevent a lot of uncommon things by never stepping foot outside of your house, but then again there are always trees that fall on houses, tornadoes that rip up houses, hurricanes that flood houses, earthquakes which break apart houses - and those are just natural causes, then there's the poisons in your household cleaners, knives, etc...
- throwit1979 13y ago
  Because everything has an opportunity cost, however small. Utilitarianism, as well as "just good horse sense" suggests that finite resources should be allocated to solving problems that cause greater sum harm than lesser sum harm.
1qaz2wsx3edc 13y ago
If you read the article, it effects around 400k. I'd say that's 400k too many.
chc 13y ago
I know several people who had this happen to them — and those are just the ones who've opened up about it, which obviously not everybody would do, so I may or may not know even more than I think.
- throwit1979 13y ago
  I know several people who had this happen to them It's far, far, more likely that you've had friends who drank too much and then assumed, in the absence of an actual toxicology report or other corroborating evidence, that they were drugged. Ref: http://www.britac.ac.uk/funding/case-studies/burgess-spiking.cfm http://www.britac.ac.uk/funding/case-studies/burgess-spiking...
mtrimpe 13y ago
From what I heard it's actually mostly done by friends, minus the raping part. I know that's how it happened to me once with MDMA. From what I understood it seemed that it was more about 'lightening up and having some more fun,' although I'm not sure how running around all night wondering whether I'm losing my mind would make me have more fun,

true_religion 13y ago

> Is spiking of drinks really that common? No, I doubt that it is because rape is relatively uncommon.

ntkachov 13y ago

Does it matter if its common? If its something we can prevent, why not?

DanBC 13y ago
Focussing attention on something scary but rare leads people into danger when they ignore the much more common risk. We know that people make mistakes when drunk, and we know that some people use alcohol as a rape-drug. In England it's much more common for people to make bad choices about sex when they're drunk than for a predator to deliberately spike a drink with a drug. Having a shot glass with whiskey in it and the label "safe" is just weird.
- mdisraeli 13y ago
  Indeed. Most common thing to spike drinks with? More alcohol.
Casseres 13y ago
You can prevent a lot of uncommon things by never stepping foot outside of your house, but then again there are always trees that fall on houses, tornadoes that rip up houses, hurricanes that flood houses, earthquakes which break apart houses - and those are just natural causes, then there's the poisons in your household cleaners, knives, etc...
throwit1979 13y ago
Because everything has an opportunity cost, however small. Utilitarianism, as well as "just good horse sense" suggests that finite resources should be allocated to solving problems that cause greater sum harm than lesser sum harm.

1qaz2wsx3edc 13y ago

If you read the article, it effects around 400k. I'd say that's 400k too many.

chc 13y ago

I know several people who had this happen to them — and those are just the ones who've opened up about it, which obviously not everybody would do, so I may or may not know even more than I think.

throwit1979 13y ago
I know several people who had this happen to them It's far, far, more likely that you've had friends who drank too much and then assumed, in the absence of an actual toxicology report or other corroborating evidence, that they were drugged. Ref: http://www.britac.ac.uk/funding/case-studies/burgess-spiking.cfm http://www.britac.ac.uk/funding/case-studies/burgess-spiking...

mtrimpe 13y ago

From what I heard it's actually mostly done by friends, minus the raping part. I know that's how it happened to me once with MDMA. From what I understood it seemed that it was more about 'lightening up and having some more fun,' although I'm not sure how running around all night wondering whether I'm losing my mind would make me have more fun,