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This would be great if drink spiking was an actual problem, but the overwhelming evidence is that in most cases the victim simply drank too much alcohol and the

This would be great if drink spiking was an actual problem, but the overwhelming evidence is that in most cases the victim simply drank too much alcohol and then blamed their subsequent problems on their drink being spiked. (Your drink being spiked also provides a socially acceptable excuse for being out of control in a way that irresponsible alcohol consumption does not.) Furthermore, better detection & prevention of drink spiking will only serve to exacerbate this problem, as young women will have less reason to monitor their alcohol consumption, safe in the knowledge that their drink won't aid in their subsequent abuse. The way to prevent substance-related rape is easy: (1) don't drink excessively and (2) drink with somebody who will look out for you, preferably someone who is sober.

rwmj 13y ago
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/3256331.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/3256331.stm
Osmium 13y ago
> The way to prevent substance-related rape is easy: (1) don't drink excessively and (2) drink with somebody who will look out for you, preferably someone who is sober. Maybe some people want to drink excessively (1) and with friends who also want to drink (2). For that matter, if you want a really easy way to prevent rape, why not just lock yourself alone in a room all day? An excessive comparison, perhaps, but I think we shouldn't be so quick to blame the victim here. The thing is, people should be able to drink excessively on occasion if they want to without having to justify it. It's a problem with society that needs to be fixed if they can't do that. And whether you personally intended it or not, comments like "the overwhelming evidence is that in most cases the victim simply drank too much alcohol and then blamed their subsequent problems on their drink being spiked" are misguided (victims, by definition, don't need to "blame" anything other than their attacker). Also, citation needed.
- ars 13y ago
  > Maybe some people want to drink excessively Just because you want something doesn't mean you get to have it. > comments like .. drank too much .. are misguided You missed his point completely. If this cup solves a non-existent problem it won't help anyone.
- dictum 13y ago
  Those glasses are a pragmatic solution to a moral problem, so there's not point in discussing the moral problem, and your parent is presenting a pragmatic (as depressing and curtailing to personal freedom as it is) solution in counterpoint to the glasses. The moral problem is some people rape people who are intoxicated or who they got drunk with the intent to rape. The ideal, moral solution is people stop raping. The number of people of who rape (EDIT: and the number of rape episodes) should absolutely be reduced, but ending rape altogether isn't going to happen in our lifetimes. So, to reduce the number of rapes we can use things like the cups (which could avoid intoxication by date rape drugs) but also try not to drink too much, especially if you don't have someone to watch out for you.
danielharan 13y ago
1: Citation, please. 2: Stop blaming victims.
- ars 13y ago
  It's not blame. It's advice. Same as telling someone to lock up their bicycle to avoid it getting stolen, and not leave the GPS visible in the car.
  - arrrg 13y ago
    It is disgusting victim blaming. Now also on HN. Yay.
test-it 13y ago
Fully agree. Of course alcoholics are very good at coming with excuses and explanations about how it's their right to drink and the rest of society has to pay the price.

rwmj 13y ago

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/3256331.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/3256331.stm

Osmium 13y ago

> The way to prevent substance-related rape is easy: (1) don't drink excessively and (2) drink with somebody who will look out for you, preferably someone who is sober. Maybe some people want to drink excessively (1) and with friends who also want to drink (2). For that matter, if you want a really easy way to prevent rape, why not just lock yourself alone in a room all day? An excessive comparison, perhaps, but I think we shouldn't be so quick to blame the victim here. The thing is, people should be able to drink excessively on occasion if they want to without having to justify it. It's a problem with society that needs to be fixed if they can't do that. And whether you personally intended it or not, comments like "the overwhelming evidence is that in most cases the victim simply drank too much alcohol and then blamed their subsequent problems on their drink being spiked" are misguided (victims, by definition, don't need to "blame" anything other than their attacker). Also, citation needed.

ars 13y ago
> Maybe some people want to drink excessively Just because you want something doesn't mean you get to have it. > comments like .. drank too much .. are misguided You missed his point completely. If this cup solves a non-existent problem it won't help anyone.
dictum 13y ago
Those glasses are a pragmatic solution to a moral problem, so there's not point in discussing the moral problem, and your parent is presenting a pragmatic (as depressing and curtailing to personal freedom as it is) solution in counterpoint to the glasses. The moral problem is some people rape people who are intoxicated or who they got drunk with the intent to rape. The ideal, moral solution is people stop raping. The number of people of who rape (EDIT: and the number of rape episodes) should absolutely be reduced, but ending rape altogether isn't going to happen in our lifetimes. So, to reduce the number of rapes we can use things like the cups (which could avoid intoxication by date rape drugs) but also try not to drink too much, especially if you don't have someone to watch out for you.

danielharan 13y ago

1: Citation, please. 2: Stop blaming victims.

ars 13y ago
It's not blame. It's advice. Same as telling someone to lock up their bicycle to avoid it getting stolen, and not leave the GPS visible in the car.
- arrrg 13y ago
  It is disgusting victim blaming. Now also on HN. Yay.

test-it 13y ago

Fully agree. Of course alcoholics are very good at coming with excuses and explanations about how it's their right to drink and the rest of society has to pay the price.