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Propaganda-filled statist bullshit. Appeals to authority, and uses ridiculous examples to justify it. > But I worry less about what happens to this one man and
by LoganCale 13y ago
Propaganda-filled statist bullshit. Appeals to authority, and uses ridiculous examples to justify it.
> But I worry less about what happens to this one man and more about the damage Snowden has done — and could still do — to America's long-term ability to strike the right balance between privacy and security.
The only valid balance is 100% privacy. A government that violates its citizens' privacy is not acting legitimately.
> Ever since Snowden, a former contractor for the National Security Agency, leaked top-secret material about its surveillance programs, he and the U.S. government have locked horns about the nature of those programs.
He's trying to rephrase the story to be one of Snowden vs. the U.S. rather than the U.S. government vs. the people.
> Second, despite the grumbling from Snowden and his admirers, the U.S. government truly does make strenuous efforts not to violate privacy, not just because it respects privacy (which it does), but because it simply doesn't have the time to read irrelevant emails or listen in on conversations unconnected to possible plots against American civilians.
If it's archiving them, it has all the time in the world, and can search through them at later times and forward information to relevant agencies. And we already know this happens with the DEA and IRS, so his argument here is even more irrelevant.
> I know firsthand that Gen. Keith Alexander, the NSA director, is telling the truth when he talks about plots that have been preempted and attacks that have been foiled because of intelligence his agency collected.
It doesn't matter how many attacks they believe they have foiled, that doesn't justify dragnet surveillance. Nothing does.
> Let me break this to you gently. The government is not interested in your conversations with your aunt, unless, of course, she is a key terrorist leader.
Trying to sideline the issue by suggesting ordinary people only talk about irrelevant things. What about journalists, politicians, political activists, and people who commit victimless crimes? As noted in a fantastic article by Moxie Marlinspike, laws can't be overturned without people breaking those laws: drug laws won't be overturned without people breaking the laws and using the drugs and wanting them to be legal, etc.
> Unfortunately, during the Snowden affair, many news outlets have spent more time examining ways the government could abuse the information it has access to while giving scant mention to the lengths to which the intelligence community goes to protect privacy. We have spent enormous amounts of time and effort figuring out how to disaggregate the important specks from the overwhelming bulk of irrelevant data.
"Trust us. We have a policy." Not everyone is guaranteed to always follow that policy, and it's a secret policy, with no legitimate oversight.
- fixxer 13y agoAbsolutely. I'm so tired of these true believer bureaucrats telling me "it is all for my own good, and no, you can't know anything about it."
- thesteamboat 13y agoAnd even if the government is sincere in everything its doing, (no privacy violations, no mission creep, etc.) do we have confidence that it can keep the stored data secure from criminals, crackers, foreign governments or other malicious entities?
- fixxer 13y agoWhat is so mind boggling to me, beyond the double-speak, is how nobody on the government side acknowledges basic systematic risk. They assume their system is perfect and their people are impeccable... have they ever been the fucking post office or DMV?! Those are government employees!
- tzs 13y ago> The only valid balance is 100% privacy. A government that violates its citizens' privacy is not acting legitimately. What do you mean by "100% privacy"? For instance, are wiretaps authorized by a warrant from a district court OK, or do those violation your 100% privacy condition?
- Zigurd 13y agoModern crypto offers 100% privacy if you do it right. How would you enforce a court order to tap a conversation that's encrypted and the keys are discarded after use? It's tantamount to a court order to defy gravity. Sure, you can write such a document, and it might be constitutional to write such a document and you might even throw someone in jail for contempt for disobeying such an order. But... so what?
- malandrew 13y ago