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Can anyone whose familiar with this space (decentralized, encrypted networks) give a quick run down on the different technologies attempting to solve this probl

Can anyone whose familiar with this space (decentralized, encrypted networks) give a quick run down on the different technologies attempting to solve this problem and their status? Diaspora, MediaGobling, Bittorrent etc. Also as an aside it feels as though these are all tackling the problem at too high a level. Perhaps we need a new protocol at the TCP/IP level (maybe thats what this is I haven't fully digested it yet)?

northwest 13y ago
You may start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet_%28file_sharing%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet_%28file_sharing%29
oscargrouch 13y ago
im working at the "same" problem space but with a very different perspective.. end-to-end encryption? yes. distributed p2p? yes. anonimity? sometimes.. and just in very specific cases i think we all need digital identities badly.. is just then we can play more with the concept of digital property, value of work, trading, currency.. and our society and everything we have conquer until now can breed a fresh new air in a new vibrant and digital society.. if this movement of complete anonymity gets real traction.. we are doomed to a economic apocalipse.. intelectual work will have no value, people will stop to pursue it cause it leads to poverty..(even if you do it for fun) the people who provide food and material things will be "the sucessfull ones".. everybody will follow.. no science and knowledge society for us.. this is not the future that i want.. we should fight to have the right to use our identities our faces in a free world.. not just fight back using the same weapons as the enemy.. otherwise, we have already lost!
- zimbatm 13y ago
  Aren't you being a bit dramatic ? Art has long existed before copyright and research before patents. While I agree that economic returns for these activities help these fields it also has a corrupting effect. If the rules of the game change people adapt. Things aren't that simple.
  - oscargrouch 13y ago
    its a possible future.. not likely to happen right now.. but things can take some course that may looks good, for start.. but ends creepy.. im not saying.. "digital property and charge for everything" its more about to have a concept o digital property and let the owner or owners to decide what can become of the resulting work.. if its free, how can it be used, etc.. much like we already do with open software.. i dont think anonymity solves the problem we are facing.. we must stand by not letting our governments and corporations to brake privacy and individual rights.. governments should work for the people, not against them.. transparency.. not covering behind walls.. anonymity? only when your privacy and freedom are in risk.. but its a tool for bad scenarios.. and bad scenarios should not be the rule, should not stand for long.. if you are needing to be anonymous so much.. something must be really wrong.. and thats not the way to fix it.. only to circumvent it
- antihero 13y ago
  Nope, this is wrong - there are far greater motivators than money - passion, fame, caring about others socially, the "greater good". We should be working to remove property in the digital world as it leads to artificial scarcity and greed.
  - oscargrouch 13y ago
    it is a beautiful romantic vision, but while some good people give all their things for free, companies like google or facebook are making billions using the free content donated to the "greater good".. its doing a greater good to them.. and while a like this vision in reality this will lead to some sort o neo feudalism... because in the end we will become more and more dependent of those big tech titans that use anonymously and freely shared, without anybody to reclaim for that.. and what if you do share in good will, what will prevent others to use it do do warm? how can we the owners of whatever it is can control it against a bad use?! if some militia organization use your information created for the "greater good" to create profit to buy guns to oppress kill people?! only by every human being signing digital stuff, and attach licenses to them.. even if its free.. it would be your choise to give it freely if you will.. but for all those reasons i stand in favor of the signing of all the digital goods..
jonajon 13y ago
We're working on Syme (www.getsyme.com), an encrypted social network for groups. We've leveraged the latest HTML5 APIs and combined them with crypto primitives like ECC 384 (for message confidentiality), ECDSA (for message authentication), AES 256 in CCM mode (for message integrity), PAK-DH and ECDH-HMAC (for secure key exchanges), and PBKDF2 and SRP (for user authentication and credential generation). The technical challenge for Syme is to create a decentralized public-key infrastructure with no single point of trust, so that no central server or trusted third party is required to establish trust between users.

northwest 13y ago

You may start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet_%28file_sharing%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet_%28file_sharing%29

oscargrouch 13y ago

im working at the "same" problem space but with a very different perspective.. end-to-end encryption? yes. distributed p2p? yes. anonimity? sometimes.. and just in very specific cases i think we all need digital identities badly.. is just then we can play more with the concept of digital property, value of work, trading, currency.. and our society and everything we have conquer until now can breed a fresh new air in a new vibrant and digital society.. if this movement of complete anonymity gets real traction.. we are doomed to a economic apocalipse.. intelectual work will have no value, people will stop to pursue it cause it leads to poverty..(even if you do it for fun) the people who provide food and material things will be "the sucessfull ones".. everybody will follow.. no science and knowledge society for us.. this is not the future that i want.. we should fight to have the right to use our identities our faces in a free world.. not just fight back using the same weapons as the enemy.. otherwise, we have already lost!

zimbatm 13y ago
Aren't you being a bit dramatic ? Art has long existed before copyright and research before patents. While I agree that economic returns for these activities help these fields it also has a corrupting effect. If the rules of the game change people adapt. Things aren't that simple.
- oscargrouch 13y ago
  its a possible future.. not likely to happen right now.. but things can take some course that may looks good, for start.. but ends creepy.. im not saying.. "digital property and charge for everything" its more about to have a concept o digital property and let the owner or owners to decide what can become of the resulting work.. if its free, how can it be used, etc.. much like we already do with open software.. i dont think anonymity solves the problem we are facing.. we must stand by not letting our governments and corporations to brake privacy and individual rights.. governments should work for the people, not against them.. transparency.. not covering behind walls.. anonymity? only when your privacy and freedom are in risk.. but its a tool for bad scenarios.. and bad scenarios should not be the rule, should not stand for long.. if you are needing to be anonymous so much.. something must be really wrong.. and thats not the way to fix it.. only to circumvent it
antihero 13y ago
Nope, this is wrong - there are far greater motivators than money - passion, fame, caring about others socially, the "greater good". We should be working to remove property in the digital world as it leads to artificial scarcity and greed.
- oscargrouch 13y ago
  it is a beautiful romantic vision, but while some good people give all their things for free, companies like google or facebook are making billions using the free content donated to the "greater good".. its doing a greater good to them.. and while a like this vision in reality this will lead to some sort o neo feudalism... because in the end we will become more and more dependent of those big tech titans that use anonymously and freely shared, without anybody to reclaim for that.. and what if you do share in good will, what will prevent others to use it do do warm? how can we the owners of whatever it is can control it against a bad use?! if some militia organization use your information created for the "greater good" to create profit to buy guns to oppress kill people?! only by every human being signing digital stuff, and attach licenses to them.. even if its free.. it would be your choise to give it freely if you will.. but for all those reasons i stand in favor of the signing of all the digital goods..

jonajon 13y ago

We're working on Syme (www.getsyme.com), an encrypted social network for groups. We've leveraged the latest HTML5 APIs and combined them with crypto primitives like ECC 384 (for message confidentiality), ECDSA (for message authentication), AES 256 in CCM mode (for message integrity), PAK-DH and ECDH-HMAC (for secure key exchanges), and PBKDF2 and SRP (for user authentication and credential generation). The technical challenge for Syme is to create a decentralized public-key infrastructure with no single point of trust, so that no central server or trusted third party is required to establish trust between users.