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> Is democracy overrated? No. It's just that we haven't gotten through to eliminating the corrupting elements and anchoring this legally, yet. Why? Because c

> Is democracy overrated? No. It's just that we haven't gotten through to eliminating the corrupting elements and anchoring this legally, yet. Why? Because corruption (= ultimately money) protects itself.

anonyfox 13y ago
Even worse, in Germany the election turnout is less than 50% on average, getting even worse every year. Most people are literally not interested in everything around them and get mad when you start talking about politics. With people like this, democracies will fail. A living democracy needs involved and civilized people.
- mtrimpe 13y ago
  That's also a massive opportunity though, since whomever could capture the attention of that 50% and get them to vote could become the biggest party overnight. To me that just sounds like an underserved market waiting to be addressed.
  - pampa 13y ago
    Yep. Just like in 1933
- northwest 13y ago
  And what are the reasons that led people to lose interest? Maybe one answer is "because we don't feel enough pain yet". In this case, don't worry, the pendulum will swing back soon enough. The concept of real democracy is still the best one we can get.
- ajuc 13y ago
  They aren't interested because they don't have a real influence. Imagine you own a company, but you can only change anything once every 4 years. And even then you only choose between a few groups of people from which to hire. When the people hired don't do what they said they would you can't do anything till the end of that 4-year period. I am all for more direct democracy (something like liquid democracy). We have the technology to eliminate middleman, but middle man doesn't want to be eliminated.
- thomasz 13y ago
  Wow, this is one of those moments I wish I would post more to get to downvote crap like this. Turnout for federal elections has never been lower than 70%.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wahlbeteiligung_Bundestagswahlen_Deutschland.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wahlbeteiligung_Bundestags...

anonyfox 13y ago

Even worse, in Germany the election turnout is less than 50% on average, getting even worse every year. Most people are literally not interested in everything around them and get mad when you start talking about politics. With people like this, democracies will fail. A living democracy needs involved and civilized people.

mtrimpe 13y ago
That's also a massive opportunity though, since whomever could capture the attention of that 50% and get them to vote could become the biggest party overnight. To me that just sounds like an underserved market waiting to be addressed.
- pampa 13y ago
  Yep. Just like in 1933
northwest 13y ago
And what are the reasons that led people to lose interest? Maybe one answer is "because we don't feel enough pain yet". In this case, don't worry, the pendulum will swing back soon enough. The concept of real democracy is still the best one we can get.
ajuc 13y ago
They aren't interested because they don't have a real influence. Imagine you own a company, but you can only change anything once every 4 years. And even then you only choose between a few groups of people from which to hire. When the people hired don't do what they said they would you can't do anything till the end of that 4-year period. I am all for more direct democracy (something like liquid democracy). We have the technology to eliminate middleman, but middle man doesn't want to be eliminated.
thomasz 13y ago
Wow, this is one of those moments I wish I would post more to get to downvote crap like this. Turnout for federal elections has never been lower than 70%.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wahlbeteiligung_Bundestagswahlen_Deutschland.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wahlbeteiligung_Bundestags...