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Not authorizing wget and classifying that as computer fraud may have its justification, but giving someone 10 years for what amounts to a form of trespassing is

by aqme28 13y ago

Not authorizing wget and classifying that as computer fraud may have its justification, but giving someone 10 years for what amounts to a form of trespassing is absurd.

jared314 13y ago
They are making an example of him for publicly distributing classified documents. The prosecution found every legal justification to convict him of that crime.
- ojbyrne 13y ago
  I'll admit to not really following the trial or general crime news, but it seems like "making an example" has become significantly more common over the past few years.
  - frozenport 13y ago
    I would venture to say that making an example is a time tested tradition.
    - nilved 13y ago
      It's also unfair and immoral by definition. However long it's existed doesn't matter.
  - dredmorbius 13y ago
    Pity they don't take that concept to Wall Street.
    - aa0 13y ago
      They do but backwards. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/ex-goldman-programmer-sentenced-to-8-years-for-theft-of-trading-code/ http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/ex-goldman-programmer...
rocker_talker 13y ago
Blanket releasing classified diplomatic info so everyones' good pals in the governments of China, Russia, Iran, etc gain strategic insight is also pretty absurd. Say what you want about Snowden's actions, but at least he seems to be pretty responsible about his disclosures and has a purpose to expose a particular practice. Manning's blanket leaks provided no new major revelations- the fact that US diplomats have & collect secrets is not a major revelation.
- aqme28 13y ago
  "Manning's blanket leaks provided no new major revelations" This is simply not true. Sorry for the biased sources, but they were the only ones who made these kinds of compilations. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3377215 http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=10... http://www.bradleymanning.org/learn-more/what-did-wikileaks-reveal http://www.bradleymanning.org/learn-more/what-did-wikileaks-... http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/2013/06/as-debate-continues-what-manning.html http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/2013/06/as-debate-con...
  - rocker_talker 13y ago
    I read those lists & they seem like a "throw everything and the kitchen sink" strategy to defend his behavior. It shouldn't be much of a surprise that there is occasional criminal (& horrific) misconduct from soldiers or that the military collects statistics on civilian casualties. The idea that "war is hell" has been around for a long time. (Who doesn't like idle speculation?) Manning seems like someone who had some emotional issues & was overwhelmed w/ what he saw & made a reckless decision to "turn over the playbook." Snowden's revelations are things that probably even the most intrepid journalist couldn't figure out, Manning's put folks' dots together for them Overall, it seems like it will be very unfortunate circumstances & tough going for Manning and his family for the next several decades

by aqme28 13y ago

Not authorizing wget and classifying that as computer fraud may have its justification, but giving someone 10 years for what amounts to a form of trespassing is absurd.

jared314 13y ago

They are making an example of him for publicly distributing classified documents. The prosecution found every legal justification to convict him of that crime.

ojbyrne 13y ago
I'll admit to not really following the trial or general crime news, but it seems like "making an example" has become significantly more common over the past few years.
- frozenport 13y ago
  I would venture to say that making an example is a time tested tradition.
  - nilved 13y ago
    It's also unfair and immoral by definition. However long it's existed doesn't matter.
- dredmorbius 13y ago
  Pity they don't take that concept to Wall Street.
  - aa0 13y ago
    They do but backwards. http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/ex-goldman-programmer-sentenced-to-8-years-for-theft-of-trading-code/ http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/ex-goldman-programmer...

rocker_talker 13y ago

Blanket releasing classified diplomatic info so everyones' good pals in the governments of China, Russia, Iran, etc gain strategic insight is also pretty absurd. Say what you want about Snowden's actions, but at least he seems to be pretty responsible about his disclosures and has a purpose to expose a particular practice. Manning's blanket leaks provided no new major revelations- the fact that US diplomats have & collect secrets is not a major revelation.

aqme28 13y ago
"Manning's blanket leaks provided no new major revelations" This is simply not true. Sorry for the biased sources, but they were the only ones who made these kinds of compilations. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3377215 http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=10... http://www.bradleymanning.org/learn-more/what-did-wikileaks-reveal http://www.bradleymanning.org/learn-more/what-did-wikileaks-... http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/2013/06/as-debate-continues-what-manning.html http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/2013/06/as-debate-con...
- rocker_talker 13y ago
  I read those lists & they seem like a "throw everything and the kitchen sink" strategy to defend his behavior. It shouldn't be much of a surprise that there is occasional criminal (& horrific) misconduct from soldiers or that the military collects statistics on civilian casualties. The idea that "war is hell" has been around for a long time. (Who doesn't like idle speculation?) Manning seems like someone who had some emotional issues & was overwhelmed w/ what he saw & made a reckless decision to "turn over the playbook." Snowden's revelations are things that probably even the most intrepid journalist couldn't figure out, Manning's put folks' dots together for them Overall, it seems like it will be very unfortunate circumstances & tough going for Manning and his family for the next several decades