>If we want to fight the government on this, we'd better know what we're fighting against. Yes. The gov is very careful with their admissions. They have and wi

>If we want to fight the government on this, we'd better know what we're fighting against. Yes. The gov is very careful with their admissions. They have and will continue to narrow the focus of the debate as much as possible. Notice the President's proposed compromise yesterday focused on the possibility of reforming part of section 215 of the PATRIOT act. This might answer the original Snowden disclosures and should have been done weeks ago. The disclosures to date go quite a bit further than that which can reasonably be addressed by section 215 reform. They want to play a shell game, and if we aren't observant, they will turn this fiasco into a win for them.