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Health reform alone will land him in a nice place in the history books. Even against the immutable recalcitrance of congressional republicans he has managed to

by tokipin 13y ago

Health reform alone will land him in a nice place in the history books. Even against the immutable recalcitrance of congressional republicans he has managed to accomplish a lot. I think most people don't recognize how accomplished Obama is because 1) the rapid news cycle and 2) Obama himself doesn't run around telling everybody what he's done. I don't like this NSA crap either, but overall Obama is an amazing president.

speeder 13y ago
You mean amazingly.bad right?
hga 13y ago
You certainly have a strong point, Democrats have been trying to accomplish this since Harry Truman right after WWII, and e.g. Hillary! infamously botched it. On the other hand, that chicken is not yet hatched, e.g. while it's been airbrushed out of Wikipedia, look at the single thing Dan Rostenkowski is most remebered for: https://www.google.com/search?q=dan+rostenkowski+angry+seniors https://www.google.com/search?q=dan+rostenkowski+angry+senio... And e.g. if Obama's "trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see" cause a fiscal collapse of the Federal government including Obamacare, Obamacare will be a footnote aside from explaining why he focused on it as opposed to the fiscal health of the government like Clinton did.
- tokipin 13y ago
  Yes there are still ways for the law to be hurt, beyond Republicans pointlessly voting to repeal it 40 times. Long story short however, the law will survive mostly in tact, which is definitely for the better in my opinion. By the way, the federal deficit under Obama has gone down. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=US+deficit+last+ten+years http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=US+deficit+last+ten+yea... The "reckless spending" thing is just another example of the style of politics that republican politicians are good at. You'll notice, for example, that "spending" wasn't an issue until Obama was president. And if anything, there hasn't been enough spending for the sake of the economy.
  - hga 13y ago
    Please don't move the goalposts. While they're of course inextricably linked, I'm talking about the issue of "reckless borrowing", i.e. that stuff we have to pay interest on. And I don't care so much how they're trending down as how they're still above a trillion dollars. By the same token, should we give Bush and the Republican Congress credit for reducing deficits 2005-7? With 2007 still above 2002..? As for spending, debt etc. being an issue, while it certainly matters what "Republican politicians" say and do, "conservatives" and libertarians have been raising as big a fuss about it as we can since the days of Nixon, and I gather longer (I became politically aware during his Administration so I can only vouch for it starting then).

by tokipin 13y ago

speeder 13y ago

You mean amazingly.bad right?

hga 13y ago

You certainly have a strong point, Democrats have been trying to accomplish this since Harry Truman right after WWII, and e.g. Hillary! infamously botched it. On the other hand, that chicken is not yet hatched, e.g. while it's been airbrushed out of Wikipedia, look at the single thing Dan Rostenkowski is most remebered for: https://www.google.com/search?q=dan+rostenkowski+angry+seniors https://www.google.com/search?q=dan+rostenkowski+angry+senio... And e.g. if Obama's "trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see" cause a fiscal collapse of the Federal government including Obamacare, Obamacare will be a footnote aside from explaining why he focused on it as opposed to the fiscal health of the government like Clinton did.

tokipin 13y ago
Yes there are still ways for the law to be hurt, beyond Republicans pointlessly voting to repeal it 40 times. Long story short however, the law will survive mostly in tact, which is definitely for the better in my opinion. By the way, the federal deficit under Obama has gone down. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=US+deficit+last+ten+years http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=US+deficit+last+ten+yea... The "reckless spending" thing is just another example of the style of politics that republican politicians are good at. You'll notice, for example, that "spending" wasn't an issue until Obama was president. And if anything, there hasn't been enough spending for the sake of the economy.
- hga 13y ago
  Please don't move the goalposts. While they're of course inextricably linked, I'm talking about the issue of "reckless borrowing", i.e. that stuff we have to pay interest on. And I don't care so much how they're trending down as how they're still above a trillion dollars. By the same token, should we give Bush and the Republican Congress credit for reducing deficits 2005-7? With 2007 still above 2002..? As for spending, debt etc. being an issue, while it certainly matters what "Republican politicians" say and do, "conservatives" and libertarians have been raising as big a fuss about it as we can since the days of Nixon, and I gather longer (I became politically aware during his Administration so I can only vouch for it starting then).