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Most of what you say is...false or half-truths. Rigged evidence for war? Everyone thought the evidence was there, Dems, Pubs, and foreign nations. Obama isn't j

by sigzero 13y ago

Most of what you say is...false or half-truths. Rigged evidence for war? Everyone thought the evidence was there, Dems, Pubs, and foreign nations. Obama isn't just continuing the surveillance programs, he has EXPANDED them. I didn't like Bush and I hate Obama. To say "if the right was in charge" is a) speculation and b) probably 100% wrong. Your perspective, is skewed.

Nursie 13y ago
No. We foreign nations thought the evidence was bullshit too. Our leaders in the uk were entirely transparent and the population didn't believe a word. We were ignored.
- mongol 13y ago
  Indeed. Incredible to ignore a world shouting NO!!! and then sharing the blame
rbehrends 13y ago
> Everyone thought the evidence was there, Dems, Pubs, and foreign nations. Eh, no: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k_QbpFl7RM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k_QbpFl7RM And if you were reading foreign newspapers at the time, you would have noticed that Colin Powell's presentation at the UN was met with much skepticism. Even in newspapers who thought that getting rid of Saddam Hussein was a good idea in principle. And yes, the evidence was rigged. We know now that Curveball had lied and that George Tenet in particular had been told that Curveball wasn't trustworthy. But the CIA gave his testimony to Powell, anyway.
jacquesm 13y ago
No, your memory is selective. Wilson and Kelly were on the record as stating as much. Wilson and his wife Valerie Plame subsequently had their lives pretty much ruined and David Kelly conveniently committed suicide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_%28weapons_expert%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_%28weapons_expert%2...
Zigurd 13y ago
Downing street memorandum. We went to war, and invaded nations, based on knowing lies.
bad_user 13y ago
I don't know what foreign nations you're talking about, but the UN was against it because their inspections found nothing. Going further I remember both Germany and France speaking against it. The only real allies you had was the UK, but the UK is always happy to agree with your bullshit and it is regrettable because if only you'd have pulled your head out of your ass for just a moment you would have realized that everything is a big fat lie, that the whole world was seeing, except you.
- pessimizer 13y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries
subsection1h 13y ago
Rigged evidence for war? Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries Everyone thought the evidence was there Not the weapons inspectors, whose conclusions are far more relevant than those of politicians.

by sigzero 13y ago

Nursie 13y ago

No. We foreign nations thought the evidence was bullshit too. Our leaders in the uk were entirely transparent and the population didn't believe a word. We were ignored.

mongol 13y ago
Indeed. Incredible to ignore a world shouting NO!!! and then sharing the blame

rbehrends 13y ago

> Everyone thought the evidence was there, Dems, Pubs, and foreign nations. Eh, no: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k_QbpFl7RM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k_QbpFl7RM And if you were reading foreign newspapers at the time, you would have noticed that Colin Powell's presentation at the UN was met with much skepticism. Even in newspapers who thought that getting rid of Saddam Hussein was a good idea in principle. And yes, the evidence was rigged. We know now that Curveball had lied and that George Tenet in particular had been told that Curveball wasn't trustworthy. But the CIA gave his testimony to Powell, anyway.

jacquesm 13y ago

No, your memory is selective. Wilson and Kelly were on the record as stating as much. Wilson and his wife Valerie Plame subsequently had their lives pretty much ruined and David Kelly conveniently committed suicide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_%28weapons_expert%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_%28weapons_expert%2...

Zigurd 13y ago

Downing street memorandum. We went to war, and invaded nations, based on knowing lies.

bad_user 13y ago

I don't know what foreign nations you're talking about, but the UN was against it because their inspections found nothing. Going further I remember both Germany and France speaking against it. The only real allies you had was the UK, but the UK is always happy to agree with your bullshit and it is regrettable because if only you'd have pulled your head out of your ass for just a moment you would have realized that everything is a big fat lie, that the whole world was seeing, except you.

pessimizer 13y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries

subsection1h 13y ago

Rigged evidence for war? Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries Everyone thought the evidence was there Not the weapons inspectors, whose conclusions are far more relevant than those of politicians.