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replying to beedogs because I can't directly: You made this post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6183189 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6183189 and

by phpnode 13y ago

replying to beedogs because I can't directly: You made this post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6183189 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6183189 and one of the admins arbitrarily decided that you needed silent punishment. nice eh?

kintamanimatt 13y ago
What? That's not even something worthy of a hellban!
- RexRollman 13y ago
  Out of curiousity, does anyone know who has the ability to hellban and, if so, are they themselves evaluated?
  - kintamanimatt 13y ago
    Mods. Could be PG, could be someone PG has elected to be a mod. The mods don't make themselves known, as far as I've seen. From the FAQ: [0] > Who are the editors? > About 30 YC alumni. They can kill stories and edit the titles, and in extreme cases (e.g. spamming or deliberate trolling) ban users. Are the bans evaluated? Well, no, apparently not automatically. But they can be manually reviewed by sending a nice email to PG. [0] http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
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alan_cx 13y ago
For that alone? Cant be. Really? Surely there must be something more than that alone. Granted, its not the most useful post, probably meant to amuse, but a hellban?
- phpnode 13y ago
  turn on showdead and you'll find dozens of other cases where people have been banned for similarly egregious reasons. In some cases people go on posting for years without knowing their posts are dead. it's the most horrible aspect of HN.
  - kintamanimatt 13y ago
    People should post some contact information in their HN bio. I agree, this is the ugliest part of HN, and it's sometimes nice to be able to give someone a heads up as to what's happened so they don't go on wasting their time posting comments that most people won't see. Granted, there are other cases like losethos (or whatever his screenname is) that are repeat offenders and deserve to be hellbanned. (Yeah, I know his case is due to mental illness.)
    - beedogunami 13y ago
      My email address is in my HN bio. Never received a thing.
      - kintamanimatt 13y ago
        If that's the case it seems your profile got blanked when you got shadowbanned. Here's a screenshot I took of it: http://i.imgur.com/KbS3heF.png http://i.imgur.com/KbS3heF.png --- It's just occurred to me that you're probably referring to the email field, not the about field. Anything in the email field isn't public, and I'm under the impression you don't get notified when you're hellbanned, which is pretty much how it gets its name! If, on the other hand you put your email address or other contact details in the about field, and they're no longer there, then that's a different matter. For example, my email address is in the email field of my profile but it's not public. The only public information that's there right now is my Twitter name.
        PavlovsCat 13y ago
        Wow. I'm trying to think of something more to justify this comment, but "wow" is all I can come up with. There's moderating, and there' being kinda inhumane :(
beedogunami 13y ago
Wow. Fantastic. A flip comment is hardly worthy of a hellban. What gives, admins? (For what it's worth, that was in reference to the "NSA to cut sysadmins by 90 percent" story from yesterday. As a SA, I can tell you right now that if someone decided to increase my workload by 1000 percent, I'd walk, too.)
kmfrk 13y ago
That trademark HN moderation at work. beedogs, you can probably send an e-mail to the powers that be to restore your account. If they won't, then at least you've got a new story worth sharing.
- jusben1369 13y ago
  There is a fair bit of irony at play huh? All content being observed. Punishment dishes out arbitrarily and without explanation. Liberty (speech) curtailed. And this is one of the favorite platforms for pro Snowden discussions!
  - mpyne 13y ago
    And all because of a legitimate policy goal of preventing the destruction of an insightful commenting community due to the chaos that would ensue if unrestrained posting were always allowed. Ironic indeed.
    - jusben1369 13y ago
      Right. To those who support the policies they make total sense. Without them there'd be unknown chaos. Good add.
      - dasil003 13y ago
        For the umpteenth time, moderation is not censorship. HN is akin to a private club not a country that you are born into forced to live in. And furthermore, the chaos is anything but unknown. It is mob/troll rule ala slashdot/reddit/4chan and every other online community that grows beyond a critical mass.
        jusben1369 13y ago
        To Censor: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable. So this is censoring speech. They have the right to do it as they're a private entity. But don't confuse their right to censor with the definition of censorship. I see that happen a lot.
ankitml 13y ago
the link is dead.. do I need certain level of karma to see it?
- kintamanimatt 13y ago
  Turn on showdead in your settings.
- phpnode 13y ago
  turn showdead on in your profile. then whenever you see other people who've been banned unreasonably, tell them!
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- beedogunami 13y ago
  I've never been warned and I've been a user for five years. Very few of my comments are ever even voted down. I think you're just wrong here.
  - kmfrk 13y ago
    First they came for the PHP users, and I didn't speak out, because I did not program in PHP. Then they came for the Android users, and I didn't speak out, because I did not own an Android device. Then they came for the Opera users, and I didn't speak out, because seriously, who the hell uses Opera today?
  - AsymetricCom 13y ago
    I think maybe you'll think twice next time before making a emotional quip with no actual content. If I was a mod, there would be a lot more hellbans being handed out in this thread.
    - afterburner 13y ago
      Is it socially acceptable to shun someone forever because they were impolite in conversation once?
      - AsymetricCom 13y ago
        Why should he have special privileges? I got none in the several times I've been banned. If you don't like the game, go somewhere else (reddit) to play. There has been actual well known engineers who have been hellbanned from HN. They didn't get special treatment either. If you want a nepotistic forum, make one yourself and see how well it does...
        afterburner 13y ago
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by phpnode 13y ago

kintamanimatt 13y ago

What? That's not even something worthy of a hellban!

RexRollman 13y ago
Out of curiousity, does anyone know who has the ability to hellban and, if so, are they themselves evaluated?
- kintamanimatt 13y ago
  Mods. Could be PG, could be someone PG has elected to be a mod. The mods don't make themselves known, as far as I've seen. From the FAQ: [0] > Who are the editors? > About 30 YC alumni. They can kill stories and edit the titles, and in extreme cases (e.g. spamming or deliberate trolling) ban users. Are the bans evaluated? Well, no, apparently not automatically. But they can be manually reviewed by sending a nice email to PG. [0] http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html http://ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
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alan_cx 13y ago

For that alone? Cant be. Really? Surely there must be something more than that alone. Granted, its not the most useful post, probably meant to amuse, but a hellban?

phpnode 13y ago
turn on showdead and you'll find dozens of other cases where people have been banned for similarly egregious reasons. In some cases people go on posting for years without knowing their posts are dead. it's the most horrible aspect of HN.
- kintamanimatt 13y ago
  People should post some contact information in their HN bio. I agree, this is the ugliest part of HN, and it's sometimes nice to be able to give someone a heads up as to what's happened so they don't go on wasting their time posting comments that most people won't see. Granted, there are other cases like losethos (or whatever his screenname is) that are repeat offenders and deserve to be hellbanned. (Yeah, I know his case is due to mental illness.)
  - beedogunami 13y ago
    My email address is in my HN bio. Never received a thing.
    - kintamanimatt 13y ago
      If that's the case it seems your profile got blanked when you got shadowbanned. Here's a screenshot I took of it: http://i.imgur.com/KbS3heF.png http://i.imgur.com/KbS3heF.png --- It's just occurred to me that you're probably referring to the email field, not the about field. Anything in the email field isn't public, and I'm under the impression you don't get notified when you're hellbanned, which is pretty much how it gets its name! If, on the other hand you put your email address or other contact details in the about field, and they're no longer there, then that's a different matter. For example, my email address is in the email field of my profile but it's not public. The only public information that's there right now is my Twitter name.
      - PavlovsCat 13y ago
        Wow. I'm trying to think of something more to justify this comment, but "wow" is all I can come up with. There's moderating, and there' being kinda inhumane :(

beedogunami 13y ago

Wow. Fantastic. A flip comment is hardly worthy of a hellban. What gives, admins? (For what it's worth, that was in reference to the "NSA to cut sysadmins by 90 percent" story from yesterday. As a SA, I can tell you right now that if someone decided to increase my workload by 1000 percent, I'd walk, too.)

kmfrk 13y ago

That trademark HN moderation at work. beedogs, you can probably send an e-mail to the powers that be to restore your account. If they won't, then at least you've got a new story worth sharing.

jusben1369 13y ago
There is a fair bit of irony at play huh? All content being observed. Punishment dishes out arbitrarily and without explanation. Liberty (speech) curtailed. And this is one of the favorite platforms for pro Snowden discussions!
- mpyne 13y ago
  And all because of a legitimate policy goal of preventing the destruction of an insightful commenting community due to the chaos that would ensue if unrestrained posting were always allowed. Ironic indeed.
  - jusben1369 13y ago
    Right. To those who support the policies they make total sense. Without them there'd be unknown chaos. Good add.
    - dasil003 13y ago
      For the umpteenth time, moderation is not censorship. HN is akin to a private club not a country that you are born into forced to live in. And furthermore, the chaos is anything but unknown. It is mob/troll rule ala slashdot/reddit/4chan and every other online community that grows beyond a critical mass.
      - jusben1369 13y ago
        To Censor: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable. So this is censoring speech. They have the right to do it as they're a private entity. But don't confuse their right to censor with the definition of censorship. I see that happen a lot.

ankitml 13y ago

the link is dead.. do I need certain level of karma to see it?

kintamanimatt 13y ago
Turn on showdead in your settings.
phpnode 13y ago
turn showdead on in your profile. then whenever you see other people who've been banned unreasonably, tell them!

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beedogunami 13y ago
I've never been warned and I've been a user for five years. Very few of my comments are ever even voted down. I think you're just wrong here.
- kmfrk 13y ago
  First they came for the PHP users, and I didn't speak out, because I did not program in PHP. Then they came for the Android users, and I didn't speak out, because I did not own an Android device. Then they came for the Opera users, and I didn't speak out, because seriously, who the hell uses Opera today?
- AsymetricCom 13y ago
  I think maybe you'll think twice next time before making a emotional quip with no actual content. If I was a mod, there would be a lot more hellbans being handed out in this thread.
  - afterburner 13y ago
    Is it socially acceptable to shun someone forever because they were impolite in conversation once?
    - AsymetricCom 13y ago
      Why should he have special privileges? I got none in the several times I've been banned. If you don't like the game, go somewhere else (reddit) to play. There has been actual well known engineers who have been hellbanned from HN. They didn't get special treatment either. If you want a nepotistic forum, make one yourself and see how well it does...
      - afterburner 13y ago

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