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In the middle of reading this, I saw a 2TB SSD Advertisement then realized SSD just consumable product, it is just like tires which just change it every 2-3 yea

by xkiwi 13y ago

In the middle of reading this, I saw a 2TB SSD Advertisement then realized SSD just consumable product, it is just like tires which just change it every 2-3 years, for safety concern.

wmf 13y ago
I think that's the right way to think about it. And we should have already been treating hard disks that way too.
MPSimmons 13y ago
For quite a while, I've been saying that too. We have the SMART data to know when they're wearing, so why don't we treat them like race car tires? http://www.standalone-sysadmin.com/blog/2012/11/flash-drives-as-replaceable-parts/ http://www.standalone-sysadmin.com/blog/2012/11/flash-drives...
sliverstorm 13y ago
Is this not already the mindset? I worked at a data storage company for a while; everyone knew hard drives fail, because we had so many disks we would have a couple failures just about every day. Everything was designed to be fault-tolerant so we could squeeze the most life out of every spindle, but in the absence of fault-tolerance I'm sure we would have had a spindle retiring schedule. Are there many companies that do not acknowledge this basic fact of operation?
- bane 13y ago
  Not to normal consumers. Crap, I've been on the same set of spinning rust for going on seven years.
  - marshray 13y ago
    Knock on wood :-)
kayoone 13y ago
Thats the right way of thinking about it but its not really feasible for consumers. "Oh hey, this Laptop has a SSD drive which is super fast. You will have to replace it every year though and if you dont have a backup strategy you might lose all you data. Did i mention they are quite expensive ?"
- venomsnake 13y ago
  You will have to make quite the effort to burn trough a consumer SSD in machine with normal use for a year. 256 GB * 3000 gives a lot of write information.
  - masklinn 13y ago
    Indeed, the standard SSD in a consumer-type usage is 7+ years of write.
  - kayoone 13y ago
    In theory yes, in practice i have been using SSDs since 2009 and had them both failing (different brands and tech) after about 2 years of daily usage. Now i see i probably use them more than the average consumer, but i cant remember the last time i had a normal HDD fail in one of my machines.
    - dchichkov 13y ago
      I've seen a number of normal HDD failures. I think that the first one that I've seen, been with a double-5 inch slot hard drive, which was failing to start spinning at times. You've had to turn the PC box abruptly, to make it spin ;) But as of now, have to see an SSD fail. Longest running that I have now is a Linux box that've been up since Oct/2007. (Heh, cool part about that linux box - there are no moving parts at all - no coolers, no nothing. Even in the power supply ;) )
      - kayoone 13y ago
        Sounds cool :) I am not saying i have never seen HDDs fail, but in the almost 20 years i have been computing heavily, it might have been about 3 in my own machines, while i went through 2 SSDs in 4 years. Id still never go back to HDDs as my system drive :)

by xkiwi 13y ago

In the middle of reading this, I saw a 2TB SSD Advertisement then realized SSD just consumable product, it is just like tires which just change it every 2-3 years, for safety concern.

wmf 13y ago

I think that's the right way to think about it. And we should have already been treating hard disks that way too.

MPSimmons 13y ago

For quite a while, I've been saying that too. We have the SMART data to know when they're wearing, so why don't we treat them like race car tires? http://www.standalone-sysadmin.com/blog/2012/11/flash-drives-as-replaceable-parts/ http://www.standalone-sysadmin.com/blog/2012/11/flash-drives...

sliverstorm 13y ago

Is this not already the mindset? I worked at a data storage company for a while; everyone knew hard drives fail, because we had so many disks we would have a couple failures just about every day. Everything was designed to be fault-tolerant so we could squeeze the most life out of every spindle, but in the absence of fault-tolerance I'm sure we would have had a spindle retiring schedule. Are there many companies that do not acknowledge this basic fact of operation?

bane 13y ago
Not to normal consumers. Crap, I've been on the same set of spinning rust for going on seven years.
- marshray 13y ago
  Knock on wood :-)

kayoone 13y ago

Thats the right way of thinking about it but its not really feasible for consumers. "Oh hey, this Laptop has a SSD drive which is super fast. You will have to replace it every year though and if you dont have a backup strategy you might lose all you data. Did i mention they are quite expensive ?"

venomsnake 13y ago
You will have to make quite the effort to burn trough a consumer SSD in machine with normal use for a year. 256 GB * 3000 gives a lot of write information.
- masklinn 13y ago
  Indeed, the standard SSD in a consumer-type usage is 7+ years of write.
- kayoone 13y ago
  In theory yes, in practice i have been using SSDs since 2009 and had them both failing (different brands and tech) after about 2 years of daily usage. Now i see i probably use them more than the average consumer, but i cant remember the last time i had a normal HDD fail in one of my machines.
  - dchichkov 13y ago
    I've seen a number of normal HDD failures. I think that the first one that I've seen, been with a double-5 inch slot hard drive, which was failing to start spinning at times. You've had to turn the PC box abruptly, to make it spin ;) But as of now, have to see an SSD fail. Longest running that I have now is a Linux box that've been up since Oct/2007. (Heh, cool part about that linux box - there are no moving parts at all - no coolers, no nothing. Even in the power supply ;) )
    - kayoone 13y ago
      Sounds cool :) I am not saying i have never seen HDDs fail, but in the almost 20 years i have been computing heavily, it might have been about 3 in my own machines, while i went through 2 SSDs in 4 years. Id still never go back to HDDs as my system drive :)