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Maybe I'm old fashioned but I think the story is that someone thought it was OK to randomly start filming a company meeting - one where they were discussing fut
by jcc80 13y ago
Maybe I'm old fashioned but I think the story is that someone thought it was OK to randomly start filming a company meeting - one where they were discussing future layoffs & partnerships apparently.
edit: don't know if they were filming or taking still shots - either way.
- rhizome 13y agoI don't think it's at all apparent that the guy wasn't getting laid off anyway. I imagine the unemployment claims will be easy either way, but at the very least Armstrong did him a favor by kicking him out so he didn't have to listen to a half-hour of hooey about how sorry the company is for laying them off. We're talking about 1,000 people, there's going to be a lot of touchy-feely in that call.
- russelluresti 13y agoBecause two wrongs make a right? If you're a person with character, you handle the impropriety of others in a mature and professional way. Then again, if you're a person with character, you don't refer to your business meetings as a "locker room" or use terms like "loserville."
- jlgreco 13y ago> you handle the impropriety of others in a mature and professional way. Sure, and sometimes the mature and professional way is to fire somebody. (Now, the execution of that was less than ideal, but a firing in general was not entirely out of line.)
- arkades 13y agoExecution and Result are not independent things. Firing someone in a professional, mature, tactful way is a different thing than what the CEO did. They're not just different styles: the firing of a person is an act intended to have a particular business outcome, and those different routes will have different outcomes. To quote Steven Brust, "The relationship between ends and means isn't one of justification, it's one of proscription."
- jlgreco 13y agoI don't approve of the execution, but I cannot condemn the decision to fire.
- russelluresti 13y agoTrue. I don't take issue with the fact that he was fired, but, rather, with how it was done. No one should be fired without the opportunity to defend themselves or explain their actions. Being fired should also be a private matter, as studies have shown it's bad for morale which is bad for business. WHAT you do isn't the only thing that matters; HOW you do it is equally important.
- jcc80 13y agoNot sure who decides what's officially mature & professional but suspect it's a matter of opinion.
- russelluresti 13y agoIn a way, yes. What is mature and professional behavior are decisions made by society. It's an opinion, but a consensus opinion of the society you participate in. All manner of behavior - that you shouldn't steal, that you shouldn't lie, that you shouldn't wear your trucker hat to a business meeting - are all just the opinions of society. Some are made into legal contracts while the rest remain social contracts, but that doesn't mean they're any less important or valid.
- jcc80 13y ago"that doesn't mean they're any less important or valid." We'll just have to agree to disagree.
- Lagged2Death 13y agoIt was a conference call. The whole thing's being recorded anyway. And hey, if you're innocent, you've got nothing to hide, right?