It never helped much for health care; I'm not betting the farm on it helping for surveillance. The people in charge already have theirs. They don't really care

It never helped much for health care; I'm not betting the farm on it helping for surveillance. The people in charge already have theirs. They don't really care about America's global economic competitiveness because their buddies are as competitive as they need to be, and because they fantasize that if things get out of hand they'll just slam some small country up against the wall to show who's boss. Oh, you might be able to convince some of the public. But in the end, who cares what the public thinks? What, are they going to vote for the Presidential candidate who takes a position against secrecy or something? Because I've been down that road, friend.